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Old 09-10-2008, 11:39 AM   #181
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I'm hoping that they fire this thing up to do the collisions at the same time as a massive storm which causes me to be transported to a parallel universe where theres a me with a goatee who is completely evil.
Isn't that this universe?
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:47 AM   #182
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Did you ever think that maybe the parallel universe, goateed version of you is the good one and your current incarnation is the evil one?
Evil is a point of view, just like good is a point of view.

Maybe I should clarify, the goateed parallel version of me is more evil. Like the concentrated Orange Juice of evil when compared to the Tang of evil.
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:51 AM   #184
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Evil is a point of view, just like good is a point of view.

Maybe I should clarify, the goateed parallel version of me is more evil. Like the concentrated Orange Juice of evil when compared to the Tang of evil.
The universe cant handle more than one me. If theres another one the universe might as well call it an existence and close up shop.

Especially if the other me is 'Evil.' I consider Evil a competition and this would simply instigate a form of escalation not seen since a little competition between Hitler and Stalin on who had the more efficient 'campsites.'
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:59 AM   #185
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The universe cant handle more than one me. If theres another one the universe might as well call it an existence and close up shop.

Especially if the other me is 'Evil.' I consider Evil a competition and this would simply instigate a form of escalation not seen since a little competition between Hitler and Stalin on who had the more efficient 'campsites.'
We really need to go for a drink.

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So, let's say the critics of this experiment are correct, and the worst case scenerio occurs and a black hole forms. Will the end be instantaneous?

It would be nice if we could at least have some time left so that we could make them feel bad.
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Old 09-10-2008, 12:28 PM   #188
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So, let's say the critics of this experiment are correct, and the worst case scenerio occurs and a black hole forms. Will the end be instantaneous?

It would be nice if we could at least have some time left so that we could make them feel bad.
Well Steven Hawking said this about the LHC.

The LHC is absolutely safe. If the collisions in the LHC produced a micro black hole - and this is unlikely - it would just evaporate away again, producing a correctoristic pattern of particles, collisions releasing greater energy occur millions of times a day in the earth's atmosphere and nothing terrible happens. The world will not come to an end when the LHC turns on.


Anyone promoting the danger of this machine are fear mongering, plain and simple.
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Well Steven Hawking said this about the LHC.

The LHC is absolutely safe. If the collisions in the LHC produced a micro black hole - and this is unlikely - it would just evaporate away again, producing a correctoristic pattern of particles, collisions releasing greater energy occur millions of times a day in the earth's atmosphere and nothing terrible happens. The world will not come to an end when the LHC turns on.


Anyone promoting the danger of this machine are fear mongering, plain and simple.
Well, he's smarter than most, so it's comforting to know that he thinks it's safe.

I don't think that really answers my question though. Completely hypathetical, but if a black hole forms in Switzerland and it did not evaporate away (like the chicken littles say could happen), would the end seem instantaneous to us, or would the Earth be destroyed over hours, days, months?

The other question I have now is if collisions of greater magnitude happen in the Earth's atmosphere all the time, then how is this different? Is it just easier to observe with the machine they built, or is this slightly different?
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Anyone promoting the danger of this machine are fear mongering, plain and simple.
Hey. HEY!

Fear mongering is a hobby and a pastime. Don't judge me.
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Well, he's smarter than most, so it's comforting to know that he thinks it's safe.

I don't think that really answers my question though. Completely hypathetical, but if a black hole forms in Switzerland and it did not evaporate away (like the chicken littles say could happen), would the end seem instantaneous to us, or would the Earth be destroyed over hours, days, months?

The other question I have now is if collisions of greater magnitude happen in the Earth's atmosphere all the time, then how is this different? Is it just easier to observe with the machine they built, or is this slightly different?
We'd be sucked into a void where time dosen't exist, but you can't die, suffering for all eternity screaming where no sound carries, being blinded by the eternal darkness of the twilight zone.
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Well, he's smarter than most, so it's comforting to know that he thinks it's safe.

I don't think that really answers my question though. Completely hypathetical, but if a black hole forms in Switzerland and it did not evaporate away (like the chicken littles say could happen), would the end seem instantaneous to us, or would the Earth be destroyed over hours, days, months?

The other question I have now is if collisions of greater magnitude happen in the Earth's atmosphere all the time, then how is this different? Is it just easier to observe with the machine they built, or is this slightly different?
Well I am not really familiar with this black hole that some people are talking about it, since there is no real science behind it, theoretical or otherwise. But I would assume it would be instant. But that's just a guess on my part.
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We really need to go for a drink.

I would also like to subscribe to your manifesto.
Drinks can be arranged, who knows, it could even be fun.

As for my manifesto, I'm in talks with a publishing company but apparently they have concerns over some of the subject matter.

I'll show them, they'll be the first people fed to the LHC to appease it's angry god-like hunger.....I believe in a very old testament Large Hadron Collider....
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I heard Locke puts out on the first date as well, so you are in luck.
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Old 09-10-2008, 01:13 PM   #195
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Evil is a point of view, just like good is a point of view.

Maybe I should clarify, the goateed parallel version of me is more evil. Like the concentrated Orange Juice of evil when compared to the Tang of evil.

Like that goo that killed Tasha in Startrek the next Genteration??
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I'm hoping that they fire this thing up to do the collisions at the same time as a massive storm which causes me to be transported to a parallel universe where theres a me with a goatee who is completely evil.
I am following your posts with Spookyvision.

You don't have any connection with Babs, do you?
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Like that goo that killed Tasha in Startrek the next Genteration??
Yes, except unlike that weak puddle of goo, my evil half would find a way to draw all of the Star Trek nerds into one place with the promise of an hour with Dr Crusher, then devour their souls.

Oh wait, thats not evil, thats a service to mankind.
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I am following your posts with Spookyvision.

You don't have any connection with Babs, do you?
Nope, but Mecha-Streisand on the other hand is a close personal friend of mine.
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I don't think that really answers my question though. Completely hypathetical, but if a black hole forms in Switzerland and it did not evaporate away (like the chicken littles say could happen), would the end seem instantaneous to us, or would the Earth be destroyed over hours, days, months?
This is what is so funny to me about the fear mongers.. lets say a micro black hole did form and it didn't evaporate... (ignoring that this would have happened billions of times in the earths history already).

Well we know how much mass that black hole would have, given that we know the amount of energy that's being put into the particles that are whizzing around the LHC.

A black hole's schwarzschild radius for such a small mass would be very small. So small in fact that it would be far far far far smaller than even a single neutron or proton. Small enough that it could sail through the earth without ever coming in contact with another particle.

And keep in mind that gravity is by far the weakest of the fundamental forces and reduces with the square of the distance, so it's not like it would be attracting things around it, anymore than two people standing at opposite ends of Canada are attracted to each other gravitationally.. sure in theory they are but in practice the effect isn't worth considering.

PLUS we don't even have theories of what would happen if a micro black hole came in "contact" with a proton. I doubt it would eat the whole thing since it's so much smaller, and a proton is just a collection of smaller particles. So maybe it eats a quark and turns the proton into some other kind of particle, and sails on its merry way.

Even if it did manage to get captured by earth's gravitational field and ended up orbiting the earth inside the earth eating it one quark at a time, it would probably take millions or billions of years to eat enough to become a significant threat.

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Being able to control the energies involved, where and when the collisions occur, etc.. when smashing stuff like this, the zoo of particles that pop out are sometimes very short lived, enough so that years of repeats of experiments have to be run to see just a few of them.
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D'oh!

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