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Old 05-11-2007, 10:08 AM   #181
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In addition to Cap.Crunch's points above, another good reason for not falling into that trap is that no self-respecting woman will start dating you if you keep your ex-es around. Heck, a lot of them won't even tolerate your married and pregnant friends. You, guys, do realize that many women consider that cheating means being emotionally close to other women, not just making whoopee with them.
I disagree, the debate is out on keeping a girl as your friend after your date…I do it personally I think having attractive female friends is a huge asset for any guy, they can give you good advice on fashion and will help you get other attractive girls….they don’t have to be your exes just real female friends, let be honest if I am heading out for a night at the bar or club what do you think would better my situation, going out with 4 of my horny guy friends, or going out with 2 of my attractive female friends
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You know I wanted to toss another pet peeve bone of contention in here.

I really hate girls that are your friends that like nothing better then to come over to your house and tell you how miserable thier relationship or thier boyfriend/husband is.

I mean come on, thats the last thing that I want to hear, and it not only throws you into the friendship zone, but it also throws you under the bus, because if things get worse for her, she automatically throws your advice back in your face.

Besides the fact that the first guy instinct when a girl is whining about her boyfriend/husband/realationship is that this is your narrow opening, and if I could only squeeze my shoulders in a little tighter, I can make a run to the endzone.
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:24 AM   #183
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You know I wanted to toss another pet peeve bone of contention in here.

I really hate girls that are your friends that like nothing better then to come over to your house and tell you how miserable thier relationship or thier boyfriend/husband is.

I mean come on, thats the last thing that I want to hear, and it not only throws you into the friendship zone, but it also throws you under the bus, because if things get worse for her, she automatically throws your advice back in your face.

Besides the fact that the first guy instinct when a girl is whining about her boyfriend/husband/realationship is that this is your narrow opening, and if I could only squeeze my shoulders in a little tighter, I can make a run to the endzone.
If you hate it and I think most guys do than why would be friends with those types of women? My friends are there to better my life not bring it down, if I am friends with a girl I am not her therapist
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You know I wanted to toss another pet peeve bone of contention in here.

I really hate girls that are your friends that like nothing better then to come over to your house and tell you how miserable thier relationship or thier boyfriend/husband is.

I mean come on, thats the last thing that I want to hear, and it not only throws you into the friendship zone, but it also throws you under the bus, because if things get worse for her, she automatically throws your advice back in your face.

Besides the fact that the first guy instinct when a girl is whining about her boyfriend/husband/realationship is that this is your narrow opening, and if I could only squeeze my shoulders in a little tighter, I can make a run to the endzone.
Cases like that mean you're in the BFF zone... and you never want to be in the BFF zone!! Ever!!!
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Cases like that mean you're in the BFF zone... and you never want to be in the BFF zone!! Ever!!!
Its funny, but when you hit my advanced age, you suddenly end up collecting a lot of woman "Friends", its kind of like collecting coupons, you open up your phone book and you have a dozen of them, and whenever you close the book they breed in there.
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:32 AM   #186
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I disagree, the debate is out on keeping a girl as your friend after your date…I do it personally I think having attractive female friends is a huge asset for any guy, they can give you good advice on fashion and will help you get other attractive girls….they don’t have to be your exes just real female friends, let be honest if I am heading out for a night at the bar or club what do you think would better my situation, going out with 4 of my horny guy friends, or going out with 2 of my attractive female friends
I don't consider having female friends to be a bad thing in general. You bring up a good example of bars and clubs--that situation indeed works well.

What happens in long-term relationships, though? A question for CP ladies: honestly speanking, how well do you tolerate your long-term partner's female friends who are not really your close friends?
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Its funny, but when you hit my advanced age, you suddenly end up collecting a lot of woman "Friends", its kind of like collecting coupons, you open up your phone book and you have a dozen of them, and whenever you close the book they breed in there.
My female friends always tell me, a guy with no female friends can indicate one of two things:

a) he's a player; or

b) he's freakin' crazy!!
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:45 AM   #188
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Its funny, but when you hit my advanced age, you suddenly end up collecting a lot of woman "Friends", its kind of like collecting coupons, you open up your phone book and you have a dozen of them, and whenever you close the book they breed in there.
I don't know how advanced you are in ur age but I can say I am no where close... and I'm already like you in collecting a lot of woman "friends"... is it bad?
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I don't know how advanced you are in ur age but I can say I am no where close... and I'm already like you in collecting a lot of woman "friends"... is it bad?
I don’t think so, like I stated earlier that for men attractive female friends are great assets to have but if she starts getting all wacky and emotional than you might want to make a little separation
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I am one of the few who managed to successfully jump across the abyss and land on the relationship ladder.

It is great, and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

However, in hindsight, I would have wanted to be less of a (kitty cat). Instead of wasting years going the friendship and hope to turn it to a relationship, I should have been upfront about it all and laid it on the table to begin with.

Guys who always try to go the friendship route do it because they have no confidence.

Like Chris Rock said, you have to be a man:

Going up to your woman and saying "uh, excuse me, uh, would it be ok, i mean, would it be alright, if uh, you sucked my balls?" What woman is going to cede to that?

NOW YOU'VE GOT DRY BALLS!

Be a man and tell her what you want. In terms of dating, and in bed. You will have more succees.
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:53 AM   #191
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I don’t think so, like I stated earlier that for men attractive female friends are great assets to have but if she starts getting all wacky and emotional than you might want to make a little separation
Who said anything about attractive?

J/k! They're alright, I have long talks with some of them about their problems... but that is still within my tolerance.
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I don't consider having female friends to be a bad thing in general. You bring up a good example of bars and clubs--that situation indeed works well.

What happens in long-term relationships, though? A question for CP ladies: honestly speanking, how well do you tolerate your long-term partner's female friends who are not really your close friends?
It's okay in a long term relationshp when things are more stable, but it all goes back to the overanalyzing that we do. If a relationship is new and you spend time with other girls, we're jealous, and we think you're dating them too. If we know we're your only girlfriend, as time goes on and we meet the girls you're hanging out with, it gets better. Especially if we think we have something over them. A girl will compare herself to your friends, and she'll get insecure if your friends are smarter, prettier, funnier, whatever. Essentially, it depends how long you consider long term. The longer the relationship, the more stable it is, the less we have to be jealous about. If it's a bad relationship though, it really doesn't matter how long term it is, we'll still be jealous. So I guess that's a hint. If you've been with someone for years, and they're super jealous of your female friends still, you should maybe re-evaluate the relationship and find out why she's insecure in it.
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I don't know how advanced you are in ur age but I can say I am no where close... and I'm already like you in collecting a lot of woman "friends"... is it bad?
Its funny, but in a lot of ways its nice to have friends without the romantic entanglements.

And I will be honest when I speak about the badness of making that leap across the ladder it comes from experience in a few cases.

Is it bad, thats a tough question, but it comes down to the expectations of the friendship. I don't want friends that monkey me with all of thier problems, bucause frankly I have plenty of my own (work obsessed, basically single at my age, a trail of wrecked and destroyed relationships miles long), and frankly I should be the last person that anyone brings there problem to.
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Old 05-11-2007, 11:06 AM   #194
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Who said anything about attractive?

J/k! They're alright, I have long talks with some of them about their problems... but that is still within my tolerance.
Well get them to pay you back for your kind deeds, I don’t know your personal situation but next time you go out to the bar/club bring them with you, and try to cut down on the number of guys as well…I will guarantee that you will have a ton of interaction with women other than them that night, and if not well at least they got you in without having to wait in line
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1) Sometimes woman go out of thier way to pick fights so that they can have an emotional explosion, everything gets laid out on the table, all issues even ones from the first day that you met are bought up, and everything is dealt with.
Oh man, right on the money with this one.

They'll make some comment and basically just dare you to say anything in return just to start the argument. I think it is just so you can't say "she started the fight", it pisses me off to no end when this sort of crap happens.
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Be a man and tell her what you want. In terms of dating, and in bed. You will have more succees.
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They'll make some comment and basically just dare you to say anything in return just to start the argument. I think it is just so you can't say "she started the fight", it pisses me off to no end when this sort of crap happens.
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hmmm...we're clearly going to have to work on your grammar. I said "what means 'nothing'", not "what does 'nothing' mean?" Do you understand the difference? The first is looking for a word/phrase that translates into the literal meaning of "nothing", whereas the second requests the word/phrase that is evoked by the use of the word "nothing", which was already given in the first part of the sentence: "If 'nothing' means 'something'"
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It means something.

WHOA we're clearly going to have to work on your ability to control yourself skills, take it EASY. It all means something, it's always something it's never nothing.
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WHOA we're clearly going to have to work on your ability to control yourself skills, take it EASY. It all means something, it's always something it's never nothing.

However, the question you responded to was "What means nothing?" Your response was "It means something," which doesn't answer the question at all.
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I asked, I recieved, then I went to bed . . .


If Tom asks out Susan after being best friends, and Susan says no. The course of action Tom should make is stick around for a very short while and see if there is chance to try again, and if not find someone else to direct his affection towards. If she's playing hard to get, or now with the dynampics changed in the relationship trying a second (but not third) time I don't think is unreasonable.

If Susan says she needs time to think about it, then going and moving onto another girl seems unfair, to everyone involved. What if she says yes and you've moved on? But again the time frame should be short, and Susan has to be honest with Tom when she makes up her mind after thinking it over (don't just let it slide and pretend nothing happened, which from what I gather often becomes the case).

After moving on I don't think it's unreasonable to want to still have friendship with the girl, I mean you were good friends once for a reason. Is it wrong to want to continue the friendship only no a friendship level?

Also, if they say your partner is your best friend (at least of the opposite gender, all else being equal for the PC folks in the crowd) then why can't your best friend become your partner?

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what ever happened to the rule every girl has to get drunk and sleep with her best guy friend once. I mean . . . I've become a lot of girls best guy friend, and I'm waiting on the payout here!
Paragraph A: I've highlighted the important word here. What SHOULD happen never does. That's the problem.

Paragraph B: We've established that women are emotion based creature, not logical. If she's "thinking" about it, that's a bad sign. She is doing one of two things at that time:
a) figuring out how to let you down without losing her shoulder to cry on.
b) deciding whether or not you'll do till something better comes along.
This is never going to work. A woman has to, HAS TO be able to figure out the value of a man in her life without being directed - otherwise she's an idiot (Another undesirable trait in a mate)

Paragraph 3: It's not unreasonable as long as both parties see the relationship for what it is. People tend to have/get bruised feeling climbing in or out of any relationship - frienship of more. Sometimes those feeling do more damage than you know.

Paragraph 4: They can. We've already agreed here.

Paragraph 5: Fun! But the parties involved (specifically women) need to be comfortable in their own skin in the morning. By that I mean, they need to be confident enough to say, "That was fun! Let's do it again!" and open the door for the relationship or "That was fun! But we're only hurting ourselves if we have a repeat." telling you that the relationship door is firmly closed.

WARNING: Your performance the night before will have little bearing on the words she chooses.
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