Rumor Control: Fidel Castro had died

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Hakan

You should read up on the history of Russia.

Far be it from you to understand that under Alexander II, the Romanovs instituted free schooling for the serfs and severely limited the punishment that land owners could take on them. Later into his rule, he made the first policies of land purchase of serfs and abolition of serfdom. This did not go as well as everyone hoped but it was a very important first step.

Things were getting much much better for the serfs in Russia under the Tsars. The Russian economy was actually doing quite well by this point with much growth in textiles and industry under the Tsars. More importantly by the time of Nicholas II emancipated serfs were finally beginning to buy their own farms and be productive.

What happened when Lenin took charge? Their farms that they had worked so hard for were taken away. If they did not support the Red Army they were butchered, often by the entire village. After the civil war widespread starvation kicked in.

Of course the official history is that it was a terrible bleak existence for the Russian peasants. But then only an amateur historian would believe the official version without doing some of their own research first.

You see, I'm not against the idea of communism. I am against Leninism because it's a thinly veiled totalitarian state wrapped in the niceties of marxist rhetoric. There is a reason why Marx said that communism would not work in Russia, because it would not work. The Bolsheviks proved that the very agrarian economy of Russia was the exact circumstances to poorly implement collective ownership.

Lenin was a power hungry despot who knew that he had to make a move to usurp power as things were going relatively well in Russia. He used anti-war sentiment more than economic depravity to win over the masses in the cities. After the Tsars were hunted down and murdered and their followers murdered as well did Lenin's true evil visage finally come to view for the supporters.

Read a book by Zamyatin or any of the new research that has been written on Lenin for corroboration.

Save your conspiracy theories for your wack job buddies, provide a link to something with a solid base of FACT, proven FACT and maybe i will listen, until then save it.

[pepper24]

Link?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Im delusional......You think the tsarist regime is the former USSR was accountable, or had support from the people!!! HA

The only people they had the support of were the rich noble class(similar to the British Loyalists in America during the revolution) that were getting fat off the working mans hard work. Lenin and Washington are VERY comparable, they are BOTH HEROES.

Read up on your USSR history, cleary you know nothing of the situation that Lenin ended with the Bolshevik Revolution.

In the first 6 months (can't remember the exact amount of time) of Bolshevik rule, more people were executed than in the past 100 years of Tsarist rule.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Hakan

You should read up on the history of Russia.

Far be it from you to understand that under Alexander II, the Romanovs instituted free schooling for the serfs and severely limited the punishment that land owners could take on them. Later into his rule, he made the first policies of land purchase of serfs and abolition of serfdom. This did not go as well as everyone hoped but it was a very important first step.

Things were getting much much better for the serfs in Russia under the Tsars. The Russian economy was actually doing quite well by this point with much growth in textiles and industry under the Tsars. More importantly by the time of Nicholas II emancipated serfs were finally beginning to buy their own farms and be productive.

What happened when Lenin took charge? Their farms that they had worked so hard for were taken away. If they did not support the Red Army they were butchered, often by the entire village. After the civil war widespread starvation kicked in.

Of course the official history is that it was a terrible bleak existence for the Russian peasants. But then only an amateur historian would believe the official version without doing some of their own research first.

You see, I'm not against the idea of communism. I am against Leninism because it's a thinly veiled totalitarian state wrapped in the niceties of marxist rhetoric. There is a reason why Marx said that communism would not work in Russia, because it would not work. The Bolsheviks proved that the very agrarian economy of Russia was the exact circumstances to poorly implement collective ownership.

Lenin was a power hungry despot who knew that he had to make a move to usurp power as things were going relatively well in Russia. He used anti-war sentiment more than economic depravity to win over the masses in the cities. After the Tsars were hunted down and murdered and their followers murdered as well did Lenin's true evil visage finally come to view for the supporters.

Read a book by Zamyatin or any of the new research that has been written on Lenin for corroboration.

Better under Alexander II yes, but better compared to what? I will tell you what..........peasantry and poverty in the most extreme form. Better than terrible doesnt make something good or even tolerable.

The view you are portraying was the same view the upper class nobles were spouting at the time of the revolution, find some poor peasants who substantianted that view PLEASE.

[kipperfan]

Just so whitedoors doesnt say I am evading him.......I AM GOING TO A MEETING NOW........I WILL BE BACK.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Just so whitedoors doesnt say I am evading him.......I AM GOING TO A MEETING NOW........I WILL BE BACK.

You're old enough to go to meetings? Yikes...

[Hakan]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Save your conspiracy theories for your wack job buddies, provide a link to something with a solid base of FACT, proven FACT and maybe i will listen, until then save it.

You are ridiculous.

Stop to think for a second.

The official history came from the USSR for over 80 years with no independent researchers having access to archives unless they were monitored. Would you call this a reliable source?

[Hakan]

The view you are portraying was the same view the upper class nobles were spouting at the time of the revolution, find some poor peasants who substantianted that view PLEASE.

How about the thousands of peasants who died fighting for the White Army?

[theikon]

Originally Posted by Cheese

One problem....Fidels brother is in line to take over...and he is more hardline than Fidel. It wont open up at all.

I was in Cuba last year, and was talking to one of the locals - and that was exactly what they were scared of.

They were **** scared that Fidel would die, cause his brother is a million times worse.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Hakan

How about the thousands of peasants who died fighting for the White Army?

I don't even know why you continue to persist. His position is like paddling a canoe up-hill.

[Azure]

Bull****. Politics is for the elites on both sides of the fence. It doesn't matter how many times we have elections here in America, its all a dog and pony show to make the people feel like they are doing their civic duty. No one in America "grows up" to be President any more. You need tens of millions of dollars to run for office and you have to know the right people and be from the right blood lines. The people don't have a chance "of taking anyone from power" on either side.

And you think that the communist system holds its officials as accountable as the democratic system? Why MUST you use the US as an example? There are numerous other democracies that run a BETTER political system then the US.

You're explaining a huge problem with the US and their two party system, and I agree with you 100%.

But that still does not take away from the individual rights and freedoms a democratic system has, and a communist system does not have.

How am I disagreeing with them? Where exactly am I saying anything that could be construed as conflict with my own beliefs? I am discussing the differences between two different systems. Have I commented directly on issues? Nope, just ideology.

You have explained numerous times how capitalism can ruin a country, how it does this bad, and that bad, and how communism in its pure form is the greatest system in the world. Usually people that believe that run on the extreme left wing side in regards to the economy. According to some of your other posts, I would put you more right wing then most, including Bush.

Now Azure, can you please face south when you post. It is hot as balls down here and we need as much air movement as possible. With the amount of arm waving you do you are sure to build up a faily stiff breeze in no time and help cool us poor Arizonans off.

Thanks for the laugh Lanny, I guess the heat IS getting to you.

[Azure]

Well by saying this (above) your clearly inferring that tsarist regime was a)accountable, b)had the people on their side............WRONG ON BOTH .............thanks for trying bud

Actually, he is talking about George Washington and the system he helped create in the US.

You turn that around and compare it to the Tsarist Regime in Russia and other countries.

A democratic country SHOULD be accountable to its people, and obviously they have the people on their side, since the people are the ones that elect them.

You were on my ignore list, but when i saw you came back to the thread, I had to take you off, at least temporarily, I need some enjoyment @ work today, and a clown like you delivers on that promise 10/10 times.

You're not doing too bad yourself.

You and Azure are similar in so many ways.........like him you say things like "your delusional" but yet dont give ANY fact to back up wh that may be the case. Why should Lenin be respected any less the Washington?

I gave you a loooong post replying to your accusations of me providing no facts. Have you responded?

"reading comprehension course" I recall saying that yesterday on this very forum.........who did i say it to?? hmmmmmmmm, i wonder

Considering how you totally went off base with your first comment directed towards White Doors' post, I think YOU need the reading comprehension course.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Save your conspiracy theories for your wack job buddies, provide a link to something with a solid base of FACT, proven FACT and maybe i will listen, until then save it.

Link? I learned that in Social 30. Did you go too school?

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Just so whitedoors doesnt say I am evading him.......I AM GOING TO A MEETING NOW........I WILL BE BACK.

Well this must be some intense meeting

[FurnaceFace]

Back on topic (and I didn't real all the junk above so excuse me if someone posted this already) but Castro is in the land of the living and is in Argentina even.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5201980.stm

Cuban President Fidel Castro has arrived in Argentina for a meeting of the regional trade pact, Mercosur.
Mr Castro, who turns 80 in August and has rarely been seen in public in recent months, arrived in Cordoba late on Thursday wearing a military uniform.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

Back on topic (and I didn't real all the junk above so excuse me if someone posted this already) but Castro is in the land of the living and is in Argentina even.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5201980.stm

Que undead jokes....now!

[Azure]

So much for my rumor...

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Was Lenin evil?

Yes. And if you require a link I suggest going back (or skipping ahead perhaps) to grade 12.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Yes. And if you require a link I suggest going back (or skipping ahead perhaps) to grade 12.

John Lennon was the DEVIL I tell you! THE DEVIL!




"Hey look at that truck!" I point away from this discussion

- you look

- I run in the other direction......

[HelloHockeyFans]

Casto is undergoing intestinal surgery and has handed over power to his brother Raul.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...tro/index.html