[Signing] Flames sign college free agent Tyson Gross to 2 year ELC

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bingo

A team with 2 players left from the 2022 season conclusion is hanging on to players too long?

You've had little digs on Backlund for years. It's not insane to question disrespect for the player by saying he's taking up a spot.

Just replying to your words.

In not saying he is just taking up a spot, I'm saying he is better off going somewhere else at this point in his career. I'm not sure I have taken digs at Backlund as much as pointed out he is overrated on this board compared to how the rest of hockey fan bases see him. Answer this, what has the Calgary Flames accomplished in all the time Backlund has been here let alone wore a letter? If Backlund is so incredibly good as a two way player still why was he not on team Sweden? Truth is we should have parted ways with Backlund a while ago but it's the Flames tradition to hang onto assets too damn long.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

In not saying he is just taking up a spot, I'm saying he is better off going somewhere else at this point in his career. I'm not sure I have taken digs at Backlund as much as pointed out he is overrated on this board compared to how the rest of hockey fan bases see him. Answer this, what has the Calgary Flames accomplished in all the time Backlund has been here let alone wore a letter? If Backlund is so incredibly good as a two way player still why was he not on team Sweden? Truth is we should have parted ways with Backlund a while ago but it's the Flames tradition to hang onto assets too damn long.

Whactly which assets did they hold onto for too damn long under this tradition? They have traded, for decent to very good returns, Weegar, Andersson, Kadri, Hanifin, Tanev, Lindholm, Toffoli, Markstrom, Mangiapane, Zadorov. All before they were too old to play. They put Giordano and Lucic on the expansion draft.

How good was team Sweden without Backlund? Did their management seem to put together a winning team?

What have the Calgary Flames accomplished with any player since 2004? How far did Gaudreau, or Tkachuk, or Monahan, or Giordano get them? Hell, aside from 2004, what did they do with Iginla, Regher, Kipper, etc? Are they somehow b overrated because of the lack of a cup?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Tyson Gross is good at hockey.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

In not saying he is just taking up a spot, I'm saying he is better off going somewhere else at this point in his career. I'm not sure I have taken digs at Backlund as much as pointed out he is overrated on this board compared to how the rest of hockey fan bases see him. Answer this, what has the Calgary Flames accomplished in all the time Backlund has been here let alone wore a letter? If Backlund is so incredibly good as a two way player still why was he not on team Sweden? Truth is we should have parted ways with Backlund a while ago but it's the Flames tradition to hang onto assets too damn long.

They trade Toffoli, Lindholm, Zadorov, Hanifin, Tanev, Markstrom, Mangiapane, Kuzmenko, Andersson, Weegar, and Kadri.

But they haven't traded Backlund, so they have a 'tradition to hang on to assets too damn long'.

Okay then.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by musth

No, if he does, he'll be the third.

I still wouldn’t count Loob, if we’re being honest, considering he 1) played almost as many games in the SEL as he did here and 2) didn’t actually retire from hockey when he left the Flames.

If we’re limiting it to just looking at their NHL career, then yeah, include Loob too. But I wouldn’t immediately look at a player who played 50% of his career in Sweden as a “lifelong” Flame like you can with Peplinski and potentially Backlund.

[musth]

Originally Posted by FanSince'01

I still wouldn’t count Loob, if we’re being honest, considering he 1) played almost as many games in the SEL as he did here and 2) didn’t actually retire from hockey when he left the Flames.

If we’re limiting it to just looking at their NHL career, then yeah, include Loob too. But I wouldn’t immediately look at a player who played 50% of his career in Sweden as a “lifelong” Flame like you can with Peplinski and potentially Backlund.

If it wasn't in the NHL, then yeah, you can.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

In not saying he is just taking up a spot...

Originally Posted by dissentowner

... he is just taking up a roster spot ...

I digress, but if Backlund is washed and over the hill and not a guy you want young players around, where would he go? What 'ambitious' destination would want him?

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Truth is we should have parted ways with Backlund a while ago but it's the Flames tradition to hang onto assets too damn long.

Which other notable assets do you believe the Flames held on to for too long?

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Which other notable assets do you believe the Flames held on to for too long?

They'll probably say all of them. The Flames haven't won the cup since 1989, after all.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Which other notable assets do you believe the Flames held on to for too long?

Tyson Gross.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by D as in David

They'll probably say all of them. The Flames haven't won the cup since 1989, after all.

Held onto Makarov for too long, guy was in his 30s by the time the team traded him.

Fun trade tree: Makarov got flipped by the Whalers as part of the trade to move up from 6th to 2nd in the '93 draft where they drafted Pronger, who they traded for Shanahan, who they traded for Primeau, who they traded for Brind'Amour.

The pick the Flames got for Makarov they used to select Jason Smith (1974), a defenseman from Calgary, not to be confused with Jason Smith (1973), a defenseman from Calgary.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Which other notable assets do you believe the Flames held on to for too long?

Obviously the big one was Iginla. Geo. Andersson. I would say Kadri too but everything points to him not being in board. Hanifin. You can say they moved these guys but they waited too long on them. I'm sure there are others as well I can't think of right now.

[Enoch Root]

Kadri had 3 years left on his contract, and garnered a great return - the opposite of waiting too long.

Hanifin was traded at the appropriate time.

Iginla was two administrations ago.

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Obviously the big one was Iginla. Geo. Andersson. I would say Kadri too but everything points to him not being in board. Hanifin. You can say they moved these guys but they waited too long on them. I'm sure there are others as well I can't think of right now.

Anderson was having a terrible season last year, his value was at its lowest. Connie getting a 1st, a prospect and a quality defencemen at a great cap hit was a score.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Obviously the big one was Iginla.

Now we see where the shoe pinches. The Flames didn't trade Iginla until Iginla wanted to be traded, so that means that every GM since then must be holding onto players too long as a matter of regular policy.

That's an ancient grudge trying and failing to masquerade as logic.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Flames have sold even more than they needed to in order to make a "rebuild statement"

I expected one of coleman/Kadri to go. They did that and sent weegar out on top of that, which no one saw coming.

We're firmly into "committed to a rebuild" territory

The fact that they're gaining separation on dud teams like STL, CHI and NYR says a lot about what they did at this deadline to ensure the team wouldn't spoil its drafting position down the stretch.

Im fully content with what management has done. No notes.

Im frankly surprised there's any one left who thinks otherwise.

Andersson, Kadri and Weegar all gone is absolutely massive.

[BigThief]

The Iginla mention was dumb too. Iginla had back to back 30 goal seasons after leaving Calgary. His value was low because a) Jay feaster and b) Iginla had a nmc which he utilized to his full advantage.

The fact dissentowner's list then added Kadri who got an insanely good return despite his age and contract...yikes.

And Backlund was 24 when he was left off Sweden's team in 2014 and 36 the next time the NHL had the Olympics. He made the World Cup team in 2016. Not that it matters Backlund has always been a very good bordering on great defensive and two way player but never elite. He's a transition captain, a good solid vet wearing the c on a bad team. That isn't a knock against him either

[heep223]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Obviously the big one was Iginla. Geo. Andersson. I would say Kadri too but everything points to him not being in board. Hanifin. You can say they moved these guys but they waited too long on them. I'm sure there are others as well I can't think of right now.

The only guy in this list that you’re correct about is Iggy. And I’m sure you would agree that he’s the one guy that earned every bit of choosing the “when and where” of being traded.

Not really sure your evidence backs up your conclusion but obviously this is all very subjective

In regards to Backlund…I personally was never that big of a fan but have respect for him for loyalty and his deep hatred of the Canucks and Oilers. He’s a perfect 3rd line center but unfortunately often had to play above this.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The best time to trade Gross is now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by heep223

The only guy in this list that you’re correct about is Iggy. And I’m sure you would agree that he’s the one guy that earned every bit of choosing the “when and where” of being traded.

Not really sure your evidence backs up your conclusion but obviously this is all very subjective

In regards to Backlund…I personally was never that big of a fan but have respect for him for loyalty and his deep hatred of the Canucks and Oilers. He’s a perfect 3rd line center but unfortunately often had to play above this.

Iginla had a full NMC anyway I think. He was only leaving on his terms.