[PGT] Flames lose to Mammoth 3-1

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

The problem with Farabee is he is just taking up a roster spot we could give to a younger player.

Sure, he tries and the advanced stats are good. But he doesn't actually produce anything when he is on the ice. He is pretty much an easily replaceable 3rd liner being asked to play in the top 6.

It was the reason he was traded in the first place. He isn't terrible, but he isn't good. He is just taking up a roster spot.

Farabee is a younger player, same age as Solovyov

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Sharangovich was going to the dirty areas, now he is not.

Two potential reasons for that:

1) the coach doesn't want him to
2) since the injury, he is hesitant

Which of those two is more plausible?

To add, if Sharangovich was doing what the coach wanted he’d be better than 8th in TOI for forwards.

The guy is barely eeking out more time than 4th liners and rookies they’re bringing along slow. He has less PP time than Adam Klapka lol.

[dino7c]

I mean Klapka has been one of the Flames best players for about 20 games now

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by blankall

Farabee, with his contract, was a reclamation project. His play had fallen off in Philadephia before the trade. The Flames were hoping he'd resurge in Calgary, and he hasn't.

His cap hit is only $5,000,000/year though.

Farabee, Frost and Sharangovich are all reclamation projects to some degree. I appreciate what Conroy is trying to do and I can't complain about what Conroy spent to acquire the first two but sometimes guys are projects for a reason.

They're bottom team roster filler

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Goriders

It’s because he’s the softest player in the NHL. It’s not due to coaching. Just watch him for a few shifts. He avoids contact like it’s the plague.

Not sure that's been the case in the last three games.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Farabee, Frost and Sharangovich are all reclamation projects to some degree. I appreciate what Conroy is trying to do and I can't complain about what Conroy spent to acquire the first two but sometimes guys are projects for a reason.

They're bottom team roster filler

There is room on this roster for reclamation projects. If Conroy scores with even one of them, it's a huge win.

And no downside.

[Jiri Hrdina]

It's interesting that Frost and Farabee both only have 2 points through 5 games, but there is a lot more criticism towards Farabee.

To me both have looked good at times, generating chances, but it hasn't translated to production. Same issue as last year.

Is that just who these guys are? Is it because the entire team lacks finish which therefore limits the point production of the entire group? Is it bad luck that will even out? I don't know but there are always NHL players who "get a lot done" but don't produce.

But I don't see a lot of difference between the two in the early going, yet one is getting a ton of criticism while the other isn't.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There is room on this roster for reclamation projects. If Conroy scores with even one of them, it's a huge win.

And no downside.

All these contracts will be off the books when the team is actually hopefully ready to compete.

[dino7c]

Farabee and Frost are 25 and 26...they are good, above average NHLers. Just not top line talent.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They would get demolished if Huska just let them play pure offensive hockey imo. Diss seems to think they are actually a top 15 scoring team getting held back by Huska.

I noted that Utah has 6-7 20 goal forwards. And they did outscore Calgary last season. But they finished well out of the POs, and well behind Calgary, presumably because they didn't keep goals out of their net.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's interesting that Frost and Farabee both only have 2 points through 5 games, but there is a lot more criticism towards Farabee.

To me both have looked good at times, generating chances, but it hasn't translated to production. Same issue as last year.

Is that just who these guys are? Is it because the entire team lacks finish which there limits the point production of the entire group? Is it bad luck that will even out? I don't know but there are always NHL players who "get a lot done" but don't produce.

But I don't see a lot of difference between the two in the early going, yet one is getting a ton of criticism while the other isn't.

Even weirder when you consider those 2 points are tied for 3rd on the team, 1 whole point behind team leaders Kadri and Coronato.

There are only 5 players on the entire team with more than 1 point, so the amount of criticism one of those players who everyone agrees is a middle sixer and happens to be producing at a level that would qualify him as a top six on this team gets is head scratching.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They would get demolished if Huska just let them play pure offensive hockey imo. Diss seems to think they are actually a top 15 scoring team getting held back by Huska.

This is my persona preference and I get why the organization isn't doing it but personally I'd rather the team play a bit more open and try to prop up individual stats and play more entertaining games, even if it means a worse standings finish.

Than play this boring game that probably maxes them out as a wild card team and more likely has them finishing drafting 10-15th OV.

Neither solution ends up with a Stanley Cup, but at least the first option is more entertaining to watch, ends with a better draft pick, and potentially inflates some of our players trade value if they have inflated counting stats.

[SuperMatt18]

I think the forward lines have not been optimal at all and that's hurt the team - some of that is injury and some of that is coaching.

Honzek - Backlund - Coleman: that seems to work and we probably don't need to change that.

Coronato and Kadri hasn't worked IMO - 28.6% GF%, 47.9% xGF...just hasn't been a fit.

Sharangovich has actually been Kadri's most effective linemate (64.8% xGF) .

Farabee and Frost have worked (55.5% xGF), Coronato and Frost had good underlying metrics in limited time together (76.5% xGF)

Lomberg continues to be a black hole, the team is 32.0% xGF with him on the ice, 52.6% with him off the ice. He needs to be 13th forward.

Pospisil and Zary have had chemistry in the past.

Farabee - Frost - Coronato (should be a strong 200 ft line)
Honzek - Backlund - Coleman (key match up line)
Huberdeau - Kadri - Sharangovich (fed heavy offensive zone starts)
Pospisil - Zary - Klapka (should be able to provide energy and cause match up nightmares vs other bottom 6 lines)

Something like that is probably the ideal utilization of our forwards once healthy. Lomberg as 13th forward, Kirkland and Gridin can go to the AHL.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is my persona preference and I get why the organization isn't doing it but personally I'd rather the team play a bit more open and try to prop up individual stats and play more entertaining games, even if it means a worse standings finish.

Than play this boring game that probably maxes them out as a wild card team and more likely has them finishing drafting 10-15th OV.

Neither solution ends up with a Stanley Cup, but at least the first option is more entertaining to watch, ends with a better draft pick, and potentially inflates some of our players trade value if they have inflated counting stats.

The options aren't binary, we could have a more balanced system. It's not like they are either full passive, defensive hockey or no structure, all guns blazing.

Especially for defensive zone coverage, pressuring the puck isn't an elite skill that few have. As someone else said earlier, perhaps spending less time in our own zone watching the puck would create more time to do things in the offensive zone.

[dino7c]

Huberdeau back is a big boost

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is my persona preference and I get why the organization isn't doing it but personally I'd rather the team play a bit more open and try to prop up individual stats and play more entertaining games, even if it means a worse standings finish.

Than play this boring game that probably maxes them out as a wild card team and more likely has them finishing drafting 10-15th OV.

Neither solution ends up with a Stanley Cup, but at least the first option is more entertaining to watch, ends with a better draft pick, and potentially inflates some of our players trade value if they have inflated counting stats.

I don’t think they’d actually score all that much more though. I think the losses would just be even more tilted.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think the forward lines have not been optimal at all and that's hurt the team - some of that is injury and some of that is coaching.

Honzek - Backlund - Coleman: that seems to work and we probably don't need to change that.

Coronato and Kadri hasn't worked IMO - 28.6% GF%, 47.9% xGF...just hasn't been a fit.

Sharangovich has actually been Kadri's most effective linemate (64.8% xGF) .

Farabee and Frost have worked (55.5% xGF), Coronato and Frost had good underlying metrics in limited time together (76.5% xGF)

Lomberg continues to be a black hole, the team is 32.0% xGF with him on the ice, 52.6% with him off the ice. He needs to be 13th forward.

Pospisil and Zary have had chemistry in the past.

Farabee - Frost - Coronato (should be a strong 200 ft line)
Honzek - Backlund - Coleman (key match up line)
Huberdeau - Kadri - Sharangovich (fed heavy offensive zone starts)
Pospisil - Zary - Klapka (should be able to provide energy and cause match up nightmares vs other bottom 6 lines)

Something like that is probably the ideal utilization of our forwards once healthy. Lomberg as 13th forward, Kirkland and Gridin can go to the AHL.

Lomberg has not even been nasty this year. He will go to a scrum, but he's been pretty chummy with opposition players - a waste of his off season boxing lessons. Pospisil replaces his speed and forecheck and Klapka is a much better tough guy.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think the forward lines have not been optimal at all and that's hurt the team - some of that is injury and some of that is coaching.

Honzek - Backlund - Coleman: that seems to work and we probably don't need to change that.

Coronato and Kadri hasn't worked IMO - 28.6% GF%, 47.9% xGF...just hasn't been a fit.

Sharangovich has actually been Kadri's most effective linemate (64.8% xGF) .

Farabee and Frost have worked (55.5% xGF), Coronato and Frost had good underlying metrics in limited time together (76.5% xGF)

Lomberg continues to be a black hole, the team is 32.0% xGF with him on the ice, 52.6% with him off the ice. He needs to be 13th forward.

Pospisil and Zary have had chemistry in the past.

Farabee - Frost - Coronato (should be a strong 200 ft line)
Honzek - Backlund - Coleman (key match up line)
Huberdeau - Kadri - Sharangovich (fed heavy offensive zone starts)
Pospisil - Zary - Klapka (should be able to provide energy and cause match up nightmares vs other bottom 6 lines)

Something like that is probably the ideal utilization of our forwards once healthy. Lomberg as 13th forward, Kirkland and Gridin can go to the AHL.

I like this overall, but I do that Kadri and Klapka have good chemistry, and Huberdeau likely compliments Pospisil and Zary better. You could also argue that Kadri had great chemistry with Zary and Pospisil, so that could work if you don't want Zary at center.

Huberdeau-Zary-Pospisil
Sharangovich-Kadri-Klapka
or
Zary-Kadri-Pospisil
...but then you have Huberdeau-Sharangovich-Klapka which seems like it would be destined to give up a goal every single shift.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's interesting that Frost and Farabee both only have 2 points through 5 games, but there is a lot more criticism towards Farabee.

To me both have looked good at times, generating chances, but it hasn't translated to production. Same issue as last year.

Is that just who these guys are? Is it because the entire team lacks finish which therefore limits the point production of the entire group? Is it bad luck that will even out? I don't know but there are always NHL players who "get a lot done" but don't produce.

But I don't see a lot of difference between the two in the early going, yet one is getting a ton of criticism while the other isn't.

Frost is our 2nd best center. We have a huge need for centers.

Farabee plays the wing and we have a surplus of wingers who are easily replaceable. It isn't hard to understand why one gets more criticism.