[News] Formenton, Dube, Hart, Mcleod, Foote suspended until Dec 1.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by 3thirty

Surprised no one has mentioned Hart has been playing in the NHL, 2-0-0 for Vegas hurting our pick and feelings.

Bedard did undress him without consent then put it between his legs on that one shootout goal.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It’s disgusting these people are or could play in the NHL again.

Pretty gross but on brand for the NHL.

Straw poll of NHL players will leave you unsurprised? I'm guessing 8-9 out of 10 NHL players simply do not care.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Dube is a horrendous player, no idea why any organization would want him even before the HC stuff

Steinberg thought we should have given him a big money 6 year extension.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It’s disgusting these people are or could play in the NHL again. Think about how many other worthy (and probably equally talented) people they could be displaced by.

Pretty gross but on brand for the NHL.

It doesn’t matter what we believe, personally I believe they’re scummy, though I also don’t fully believe E.M. The truth, as usual, probably lies in the middle

They were found not guilty, and the only way our system works is if “not guilty” people have their rights restored. They deserve to be able to do their job. I’d be looking elsewhere myself though were I a GM.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by zukes

It doesn’t matter what we believe, personally I believe they’re scummy, though I also don’t fully believe E.M. The truth, as usual, probably lies in the middle

They were found not guilty, and the only way our system works is if “not guilty” people have their rights restored. They deserve to be able to do their job. I’d be looking elsewhere myself though were I a GM.

I agree that they deserve their rights based on being acquitted, and I agree that there were credibility issues with the complainant that justified an acquittal, but like the grinch, I wouldn't touch any of them with a 10 and half foot pole. The whole ordeal put on display character issues and downright stupidity at the very least, which any organization should avoid when they can.

If I was the owner of the Flames, I would have told management to cut bait with him the minute a scandal involving that team of which Dube was the captain, was announced. Especially after his "no wrong doing" comment, it was pretty obvious he was going to be one of the accused. It was just a PR problem waiting. I know people don't like meddling owners, but that would be one case I could have supported it.

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by 3thirty

Surprised no one has mentioned Hart has been playing in the NHL, 2-0-0 for Vegas hurting our pick and feelings.

I thought he was already hurt.

Hmm just day-to-day it looks like:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...r-body-injury/

[Reggie28]

Originally Posted by zukes

It doesn’t matter what we believe, personally I believe they’re scummy, though I also don’t fully believe E.M. The truth, as usual, probably lies in the middle

They were found not guilty, and the only way our system works is if “not guilty” people have their rights restored. They deserve to be able to do their job. I’d be looking elsewhere myself though were I a GM.

To a point. Let’s say I owned a Fortune 500 company and the books aren’t adding up. The Police investigate and believe my CFO is embezzling money. The Crown believes there is a likelihood of conviction, during trial it comes out the CFO was doing a lot of scummy things, but for whatever reasons the Judge does not convict him. Would he come back as the CFO of a Fortune 500 company? Not likely, he may have to go to Belarus and run Minsk Minks.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Reggie28

To a point. Let’s say I owned a Fortune 500 company and the books aren’t adding up. The Police investigate and believe my CFO is embezzling money. The Crown believes there is a likelihood of conviction, during trial it comes out the CFO was doing a lot of scummy things, but for whatever reasons the Judge does not convict him. Would he come back as the CFO of a Fortune 500 company? Not likely, he may have to go to Belarus and run Minsk Minks.

That's fair, but in that case the offence would be directly related to his performance on the job. This is rather different.

I think what the five accused players did was scummy and nasty, but they were found not guilty and it does not bear directly on their on-ice performance. We all have the right not to support any hockey team that wants to hire them, but on the other hand, hockey teams do have the right to hire them and we as fans can't very well expect to have a veto. The most we can do is try to discourage the teams we do support from hiring that sort of person.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's fair, but in that case the offence would be directly related to his performance on the job. This is rather different.

I think what the five accused players did was scummy and nasty, but they were found not guilty and it does not bear directly on their on-ice performance. We all have the right not to support any hockey team that wants to hire them, but on the other hand, hockey teams do have the right to hire them and we as fans can't very well expect to have a veto. The most we can do is try to discourage the teams we do support from hiring that sort of person.

Fans don't have a direct veto, but can make lots of noise, as Canes fans did with McLeod.

A much more extreme but still related example is the proposed super league in Europe (football, not hockey). There were pretty much riots over that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by zukes

It doesn’t matter what we believe, personally I believe they’re scummy, though I also don’t fully believe E.M. The truth, as usual, probably lies in the middle

They were found not guilty, and the only way our system works is if “not guilty” people have their rights restored. They deserve to be able to do their job. I’d be looking elsewhere myself though were I a GM.

I can kind of understand a team signing Hart because of his pedigree and goaltending being such a volatile position but I just don't get any GM sticking his neck out for a replacement level player like Dube.

[3thirty]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

I thought he was already hurt.

Hmm just day-to-day it looks like:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...r-body-injury/

That's an old article, he played twice since, and thankfully lost last night.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zukes

It doesn’t matter what we believe, personally I believe they’re scummy, though I also don’t fully believe E.M. The truth, as usual, probably lies in the middle

They were found not guilty, and the only way our system works is if “not guilty” people have their rights restored. They deserve to be able to do their job. I’d be looking elsewhere myself though were I a GM.

Why do they “deserve” any job?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Bedard did undress him without consent then put it between his legs on that one shootout goal.

Would like to see a Zdeno Chara return to slap shot him in the tea-bag.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by zukes

It doesn’t matter what we believe, personally I believe they’re scummy, though I also don’t fully believe E.M. The truth, as usual, probably lies in the middle

They were found not guilty, and the only way our system works is if “not guilty” people have their rights restored. They deserve to be able to do their job. I’d be looking elsewhere myself though were I a GM.

These are terrible people. They absolutely do not deserve to be in the NHL, a dream for hundreds of thousands of kids worldwide.

This isn’t like hey here’s your factory job back so let’s get real here. They don’t “need” an NHL job. And it isn’t like the NHL product is oh so much better with these idiots in the league. And it isn’t like they are oh so much better than all the AHL players that could otherwise fill those spots.

Further, whether you believe her or not, it’s been made crystal clear (to me at least) that their behaviour was dirtbag at best and criminal but just not convicted in a court of law at worst. The NHL gets a huge win by denying these guys a lottery ticket NHL career and showing future fans and kids that engaging in that type of behaviour is not okay. It shouldn’t be okay, and it shouldn’t be acceptable.

She didn’t make the whole thing up, obviously. It’s not like she wasn’t in the room.

[PepsiFree]

None of their rights were taken away.

[Coach]

They are technically allowed to be hired. That doesn't mean they "deserve" anything.

I find it highly unbelievable that any of these players aren't replaceable by players already existing in teams' systems. If they don't want the heat of hiring gross people, just don't. It's not that hard.

[Domoic]

Originally Posted by Reggie28

To a point. Let’s say I owned a Fortune 500 company and the books aren’t adding up. The Police investigate and believe my CFO is embezzling money. The Crown believes there is a likelihood of conviction, during trial it comes out the CFO was doing a lot of scummy things, but for whatever reasons the Judge does not convict him. Would he come back as the CFO of a Fortune 500 company? Not likely, he may have to go to Belarus and run Minsk Minks.

Interesting. There is case study for this! Just google Josh Smiley, ex-CFO from Eli Lilly - then and now!

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Reggie28

To a point. Let’s say I owned a Fortune 500 company and the books aren’t adding up. The Police investigate and believe my CFO is embezzling money. The Crown believes there is a likelihood of conviction, during trial it comes out the CFO was doing a lot of scummy things, but for whatever reasons the Judge does not convict him. Would he come back as the CFO of a Fortune 500 company? Not likely, he may have to go to Belarus and run Minsk Minks.

If he can make someone money, it doesn't matter.

Because our business leaders are held to a higher level, just like our politicians right?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Straw poll of NHL players will leave you unsurprised? I'm guessing 8-9 out of 10 NHL players simply do not care.

Okay. Sorry what does that have to do with anything?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's fair, but in that case the offence would be directly related to his performance on the job. This is rather different.

I think what the five accused players did was scummy and nasty, but they were found not guilty and it does not bear directly on their on-ice performance. We all have the right not to support any hockey team that wants to hire them, but on the other hand, hockey teams do have the right to hire them and we as fans can't very well expect to have a veto. The most we can do is try to discourage the teams we do support from hiring that sort of person.

Which is what I’m doing, by saying whoever hires these people are disgusting themselves. Disgusting organizations hire disgusting people. I hope these teams suffer immensely with these decisions.

Organizations need to be good corporate citizens and that’s like the bare minimum people should demand of them.