WCR2: Dallas Stars (C2) vs Winnipeg Jets (C1) - STARS WIN 4-2

[White Out 403]

the league has either:

1) made a horrible mistake and wont own up to it

2) are lying to everyone and saying Helley was "playing the puck" in to his own net, which is STUPID

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Karl Racki

Plays that involve a puck entering the net as a direct result of a “distinct kicking motion” shall be ruled NO GOAL.

This is the point, it was not a direct result. There is an intervening factor, Helle swatting it into the net.

"Direct result" is very much useless because they also add that if it is deflected by another player or ref it is no goal. One can argue that any deflection means the kick is not a direct result anymore but they make that clarification.

[Groot]

They said he propelled the puck into his own net. Meaning the motion from his stick had enough force behind it to cause the puck to change direction, above and beyond a mere deflection which requires no force at all. Which is what happened. It was the right call. Hellebyuck can add Playoff GWG to his resume, cause he wont be adding Stanley Cup Champion.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Groot

They said he propelled the puck into his own net. Meaning the motion from his stick had enough force behind it to cause the puck to change direction, above and beyond a mere deflection which requires no force at all. Which is what happened. It was the right call. Hellebyuck can add Playoff GWG to his resume, cause he wont be adding Stanley Cup Champion.

I'd like to know the difference between the word propelled and deflect? He wasn't playing the puck and didn't have possession.

[White Out 403]

teh league is FULL of ####.

propelled is an intention act of playing the puck. making a save and directing it in is a deflection.

[Rhett44]

The league is making crap up like they always do.

By definition, it is a no goal. I agree with Bieksa, awful call.

[Groot]

No force is required for a deflection. If force is applied it's not deflected. Force was applied by Hellebyucks stick causing the puck to enter the net, thus making it propelled by Hellebyuck and not a deflection.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Groot

No force is required for a deflection. If force is applied it's not deflected. Force was applied by Hellebyucks stick causing the puck to enter the net, thus making it propelled by Hellebyuck and not a deflection.

Show me where in the rule book it says that. Please.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Groot

No force is required for a deflection. If force is applied it's not deflected. Force was applied by Hellebyucks stick causing the puck to enter the net, thus making it propelled by Hellebyuck and not a deflection.

Force was applied because he had to dive to try to make a save. Because of a KICK.

I don't understand this ruling whatsoever.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I watched their season ending presser with Sakic and the GM and they doubled down on the decision. Said that they couldn't pay Rantanen and needed more "depth". I can't see that going well with the fans. Especially if Dallas wins the cup.

I assume MacKinnon wasn't part of that presser. if they couldn't afford him and needed depth they should have known and traded him last off season, epic fail.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Show me where in the rule book it says that. Please.

49.2 (ii) - a kicked puck that deflects off the stick of any player (excluding the goaltenders stick) shall be ruled a good goal.


The puck wasn't deflected. It was propelled in by Hellebyuck. Good goal.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Force was applied because he had to dive to try to make a save. Because of a KICK.

I don't understand this ruling whatsoever.

He didn't have to bat the puck into his own net. If he does nothing the puck doesn't enter the net.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Groot

49.2 (ii) - a kicked puck that deflects off the stick of any player (excluding the goaltenders stick) shall be ruled a good goal.


The puck wasn't deflected. It was propelled in by Hellebyuck. Good goal.

Show me that distinction of it being propelled vs deflected. The only thing you've done is show the rule that it's a non goal.

[Rhett44]

Propel isn't even in the rule book. I'm far from a Jets fan but stop making crap up to defend the NHL.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Show me that distinction of it being propelled vs deflected. The only thing you've done is show the rule that it's a non goal.

Was the puck headed into the net before Hellebyuck batted it into his net? No. Did Hellebyuck hit the puck with force, causing it to change direction and enter the net? Yes.

Show me where a goal is disallowed if a goalie hits it into their own net after the puck is kicked towards them.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Propel isn't even in the rule book. I'm far from a Jets fan but stop making crap up to defend the NHL.

Call it whatever you want. The puck wasn't deflected. Hellebyuck hit the puck.

[Finger Cookin]

I'd say Draisaitl's own goal was a deflection, whereas Hellebyuck's own goal was propulsion.

Both games are over, both goals counted. Not much else to say there.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Groot

Was the puck headed into the net before Hellebyuck batted it into his net? No. Did Hellebyuck hit the puck with force, causing it to change direction and enter the net? Yes.

#### are just inventing our own rules or actually debating the rule book?

The rule book doesn't say what you said just said. The rule book reads kicked TOWARDS the net. Which it was.

Did Helley hit the puck with force? He was making a save, and it tried to knock it away with the stick. It changed direction, yes, you might even say it deflected, in . Holy #### man.

Originally Posted by Groot

Show me where a goal is disallowed if a goalie hits it into their own net after the puck is kicked towards them.

You've been shown dozens of times. Unless, are you taking the position, that he had possession of the puck?

[PepsiFree]

Yeah pretty distinct difference between a puck deflecting off a stick or a skate or whatever and a player attempting to play a puck and batting it into his own net. Not even sure why this is an argument, it’s obvious looking at the replay.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

#### are just inventing our own rules or actually debating the rule book?

The rule book doesn't say what you said just said. The rule book reads kicked TOWARDS the net. Which it was.

Did Helley hit the puck with force? He was making a save, and it tried to knock it away with the stick. It changed direction, yes, you might even say it deflected, in . Holy #### man.

You've been shown dozens of times. Unless, are you taking the position, that he had possession of the puck?

Calm down. Holy **** is right. The puck wasn't even kicked towards the net. If Helleybuck doesn't hit it in, the puck doesn't even travel in the direction of the net, it goes into the slot.