Rasmus Andersson watch — Will he stay or will he go?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Well - for one- he had a disastrous season. If he was even incrementally better, he would have helped the Flames make the playoffs. Second- if you have a season as bad as he had- you should have more humility up on the podium rather than talking about how 10% of the fans are #### and you don't care about those that turn on you blah blah nonsense.

BTW - this is a player who I followed ever since his junior days and was a big fan of as early as last season.

The ONLY message he should have delivered was that he wasn't good enough and is looking to be better next season.

Let me guess, your favourite stat to look at is +/-?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Well - for one- he had a disastrous season. If he was even incrementally better, he would have helped the Flames make the playoffs. Second- if you have a season as bad as he had- you should have more humility up on the podium rather than talking about how 10% of the fans are #### and you don't care about those that turn on you blah blah nonsense.

BTW - this is a player who I followed ever since his junior days and was a big fan of as early as last season.

The ONLY message he should have delivered was that he wasn't good enough and is looking to be better next season.

TBQH, I have no problem what he said what he said about the 10% pro-tanking fans not real fans. That's his opinion and he is entitle to it. I'm sour on his performance this season not his personality, in fact, I love his personality.

[saillias]

I could get offended about Rasmus with his real fans comment but I just don't really care. He's out of here in a few months. Maybe by the deadline at most. I'm more interested in what the Flames can get in return.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Let me guess, your favourite stat to look at is +/-?

The advanced metrics that I look at have him ranked dead last in actual results out of Flames dmen that played minimum 500 minutes this year out of 7 dmen.

Expected results? He moves from dead last to 5th out of 7 dmen.

+/- might be not a great stat but when its as negative as it was.... it does have value.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You can dismiss the +/- all you want but it is a tracked statistic. No it is not all that is used, but as a trend with his possession's metrics in the negative, and the high blocked shots, he was on the ice a lot defending and getting scored. The -38 was earned not bad luck.

[CSharp]

I'd do a Bedard for Andersson + Panther's 2025 1st rounder. Hawks need D and Flames need a right shot center.

[Toonage]

Seems fair. Deal!

[dammage79]

Did Rasmus finish with the green jacket of Commies Masters this year? He must have been real close.

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Did Rasmus finish with the green jacket of Commies Masters this year? He must have been real close.

He was third.

[dammage79]

5 stroke lead for Lorhei. Wow.

Razz was also the least procudtive of the them too.

[Tbull8]

I really want to see playoff Kadri with the young core next season. You could see how much he upped his game down the stretch, and I think he has another level for the playoffs.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Fans complain about boring players are but then complain when they actually say something honest
Moreover he was asked specific questions which he answered

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You can dismiss the +/- all you want but it is a tracked statistic. No it is not all that is used, but as a trend with his possession's metrics in the negative, and the high blocked shots, he was on the ice a lot defending and getting scored. The -38 was earned not bad luck.

Ya, it’s dumb to dismiss it entirely. It’s a puzzle piece, just like most stats.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You can dismiss the +/- all you want but it is a tracked statistic. No it is not all that is used, but as a trend with his possession's metrics in the negative, and the high blocked shots, he was on the ice a lot defending and getting scored. The -38 was earned not bad luck.

To me, very high or very low +/- is earned, anything in between is just noise.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by edslunch

To me, very high or very low +/- is earned, anything in between is just noise.

Exactly.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Fans complain about boring players are but then complain when they actually say something honest
Moreover he was asked specific questions which he answered

If he had emotional intelligence- he would have been delivering a message apologizing to the fans and teammates for his miserable season. Taking responsibility as a contributing factor to missing the playoffs. That's being a leader. That's honesty.

Media in this city let these players off the hook and don't ask the tough questions. A lot of media in this city spend most of their time being apologists for the franchise and the players. Now that's even more honesty. I'm not saying media should make their everyday relations/workplace awkward but that's what makes a courageous reporter. Andersson should be facing the tough questions and being called out for the pathetic season he had --- but he wasn't because he's a nice guy and he's been around for a long time and this city's media is soft.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by edslunch

To me, very high or very low +/- is earned, anything in between is just noise.

And also matters the entire teams goal differential (well really even strength differential

While I don’t have that number in front of me the Flames were -13 goal difference on the season

Boston was -50 and Chicago was -70

One of the players in the top (bottom) of plus minus sticks out like a sore thumb

[Paulie Walnuts]

You can also see that players at th ebottom of that list are teams in the lottery. San Jose, Chicago, Nashivlle.

It's remarkable that we had a player playing those minutes and put up -38 and have us a point out.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

If he had emotional intelligence- he would have been delivering a message apologizing to the fans and teammates for his miserable season. Taking responsibility as a contributing factor to missing the playoffs. That's being a leader. That's honesty.

Media in this city let these players off the hook and don't ask the tough questions. A lot of media in this city spend most of their time being apologists for the franchise and the players. Now that's even more honesty. I'm not saying media should make their everyday relations/workplace awkward but that's what makes a courageous reporter. Andersson should be facing the tough questions and being called out for the pathetic season he had --- but he wasn't because he's a nice guy and he's been around for a long time and this city's media is soft.

The story of the day was his future with the club and the injury that was revealed. That was the stuff that the media rightly focused on.

"Rasmus you were pathetic this season and I think you owe the fans an apology. Your thoughts?"

Yeah that would have gone over well.

The media isn't there to serve your bitterness.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

And also matters the entire teams goal differential (well really even strength differential

While I don’t have that number in front of me the Flames were -13 goal difference on the season

Boston was -50 and Chicago was -70

One of the players in the top (bottom) of plus minus sticks out like a sore thumb

This player tanked the entire year. There's absolutely ZERO excuse for him to have been -38.

Weegar was +18 (played 24 mins a night) - that's a differential of 56....on a team with a -13 goal differential.

Every other Defender that played for the Flames this season was a -7 or better yet Andersson was given 24 mins a night.

There is no sensible explanation for this except that he was just downright awful.