[PGT] Flames beat Rags 3-2

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bc-chris

this made me laugh....

At last someone got the Jackie Earle Haley connection. Though IMO Lomberg is more of a Rorschach than a Kelly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Or…maybe…a team doesn’t need a superstar…but a group of players evenly matched ALL THROUGH THE LINEUP who work their butts off constantly.

It’s not “the model” but is there a valid reason it can’t work? Has any other team ever done that? (Crowdsourcing from the hockey historians here…)

St. Louis? ROR was their top scorer with 77 points (a career high). Tarasenko, Perron, Pietrangelo were good but not what I'd call superstars. And they rode a very hot rookie goalie.

[stemit14]

This season is feeling a lot like 2014-2015. The team seems to be sparked by a young American rookie that has dominated at every level he has played but is always doubted because of his height (Gaudreau/Wolf). We’re watching a former 1st round pick in his sophomore season potentially develop into a top 2 center (Monahan/Zary). A couple defencemen that have long been considered good have emerged into the level of being elite (Brodie-Gio/Andersson-Weegar). The defence looks unproven but is surprising everyone with their solid play (Engelland, Russell and Wideman/Bahl, Pachal and Miromanov). The team identity is established early as a grinding team that outworks its opponents on a regular basis.

I would say the bigger difference is the coaching is better now then it was then simply based on the team seems to outplay its opponents more often now compared to the 2014-2015 team which regularly got outplayed but had amazing comebacks late in games. Also… the 2014-2015 team did have a top line due to the Gaudreau-Monahan-Hudler line turning into a fantastic #1 line… I think that could still happen for this years flames but, right now, they are still working out the lines.

[CroFlames]

Terrific ATL. Great Ranger fans, and even CP got a shoutout in the big city.

There needs to be a word that describes a Flames win and an Oilers loss on the same day, but I'm not creative enough.

[topfiverecords]

Stick taps for the refs getting the hand deflection call right. We've had a few of those go against us in recent seasons.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Stick taps for the refs getting the hand deflection call right. We've had a few of those go against us in recent seasons.

I'm honestly not sure it was right.

Huberdeau made a deliberate attempt to play the puck with an open hand, and it led to an advantage for the Flames.

79.1 Hand Pass - A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the on-ice officials, he has directed the puck to a teammate, or has allowed his team to gain an advantage, and subsequently possession and control of the puck is obtained by a player of the offending team, either directly or deflected off any player or official.

That probably should have been called back (even though it had no real immediate impact on the goal and is stupid it's even reviewable).

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Locke

Also...I think those white sweaters with the purple logo are pretty sharp. I like them.

Now wear them for the game, you cowards.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Dion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1859817058524934503

12 hours later Shesterkin is still looking over his shoulder.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Goriders

We haven’t played SJ, Anahiem ect yet too

if the last 20 years have taught me one thing, its that these might not go the way one would think it should...

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by looooob

if the last 20 years have taught me one thing, its that these might not go the way one would think it should...

The way one would think, if one supposed that bad teams always lose and good teams always win. A lot of fans tend to do this and overreact to individual games, even though they have the experience to know better.

Even the worst teams win about a quarter of their games. Even the best teams lose about a quarter of theirs. Nothing is guaranteed either way.

[Super-Rye]

This was one of the best games I have watched the Flames play in a long time.

They were fast, aggressive, and their stick work was excellent. No passengers this game.

Wolf, Coronato, Zary and Bahl are all taking huge steps.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If they overachive this year then whatever enjoy it. The pendulum will likely swing back to underachieving next season unless Flames prospects keep developing into NHL players. My biggest concern isn't even the draft pick this year it is they jump start moves trying to be competitive.

That is my only concern. Don’t trade first round picks for older impact players. Don’t trade second or third round picks for depth players. Focus on getting younger and drafting well.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If they overachive this year then whatever enjoy it. The pendulum will likely swing back to underachieving next season unless Flames prospects keep developing into NHL players. My biggest concern isn't even the draft pick this year it is they jump start moves trying to be competitive.

I had 2 fears when it seemed inevitable that we were doing the firesale and likely drafting high:

1. We would focus too hard on the tank and end up with a culture of losing, a la Buffalo. It's nice to draft high, but it's hard to wash off the stink of not just losing, but being a loser. It's why I feel that tanking to draft high by itself is a lousy strategy and unlikely to work without a good culture and patient ownership.

2. Speaking of patient ownership, I fear either impatient owners or an impatient front office. Sometimes it seems like you settle in for a few years of drafting and development, but all of sudden you are doing well so come TDL, the GM announces the rebuild is done and now a bunch of picks and prospects are going out the front door for pricey rentals. Followed by overpriced UFA signings in the summer to chase it next year because it "just got away from us" this year.

Flames need to focus on executing the plan in it's entirety, not make a panic move. Plus, I would far rather see us pick high in 2027. Would be nice to draft a high potential prospect like Dupont considering we drafted his father.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'm honestly not sure it was right.

Huberdeau made a deliberate attempt to play the puck with an open hand, and it led to an advantage for the Flames.



That probably should have been called back (even though it had no real immediate impact on the goal and is stupid it's even reviewable).

This was one tricky. I guess ultimately they determined flames did not gain an advantage.

It’s funny because he intentionally tried to bat it, missed and it ended up being a deflection, which I think should be fine. But as we saw Laviolette demonstrate to the refs, when a guy has his hand at eye level, it’s hard to say it’s a deflection.

Quirky play indeed. I’m fine with the call either way, this one was borderline. But it makes me more pissed about the play from last year we had called back that was an awful call.

[Shazam]

Was at the game. Observations:

- Flames positioning was amazing. When they play structured, they lead. They certainly still sometimes forget - I think the team is still in a stage where players let their mind take over.

- Zary dummied the Rangers over and over. That kid was amazing.

- Speaking of which, Coronato was also amazing. Kuz and Shesh also played really, really well. All over the ice making plays and getting shots off.

- Weegar and Andersson are hella fun to watch. Pachal, Bahl, Bean and Miro are all boringly effective. Miro is probably the worst of the bunch - he definitely loses track of where he is on the ice more often than the others.

- Wolf is soooo smooth.

- Huby. Oh man. He's forgotten how to play hockey. He has a really tough time timing zone entrances.

- Rangers D are a tire fire getting out of their own zone, other than Fox. Wow they really lean on him.

- Rangers were trying to piss off Lomberg all night.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by troutman

“Really? TNT by AC/DC? What a lame ass goal song lmao”

Yup

when 'Sleep Now in the Fire' is right there...

[calf]

I always love ATL's against the Rangers. My favorite from a couple years ago when they called #88 Manginapain

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Shazam

- Rangers D are a tire fire getting out of their own zone, other than Fox. Wow they really lean on him.

The Rangers' blueline has been quite bad--and extremely overrated--for quite some time, now. Basically it's just Fox, whoever plays with Fox, and a bunch of other guys.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

When you have one of the best 3 goalies in the league and a #1D anchor I guess you don't feel the pressure to do any major work on the rest of the D group.

The Rags would be well served making some improvements there though.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

That is my only concern. Don’t trade first round picks for older impact players. Don’t trade second or third round picks for depth players. Focus on getting younger and drafting well.

Agreed. If the player is not 25 or younger, don’t trade picks or prospects for them. Even if the flames are destined to avoid a bottoming out rebuild ala San Jose and Chicago… they are still in the phase of the rebuild where they should try to fill in roster spots internally as much as possible. Let players like Klapka, Honzek, Brz, Poirier, and Parekh be the guys to fill roster spots when they become available rather than sign 29 year old vets that “know how to win”.