2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

They are playing much heavier D zone starts this year than last. Could be contributing.

Weegars isolated 5v5 stats aren't jumping off the page either.

They also have the lowest % of starts on the fly. Which tells me that over have the time there is a D zone start, these two are the D men on the ice for it.

I'm pretty fine with them so far. They have been solid if unspectacular.

None of the other dmen are blowing the doors off with their much better zone starts.

According to moneypuck, Huska has the two top pairings pretty much even in defensive zone starts and offensive zone starts (Weegar #1 on the team for offensive zone starts and it's not all that close), with the third pairing mostly coming off the bench on the fly.

Can't find quality of opposition on the net anymore but assuming that's equal too then Andersson/Bahl are doing a much better job with similar deployment.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I can't think of one, let alone many, that were overcooked.

Pospisil came out of nowhere ... he was 21st on the CP prospect ranking prior to last year's training camp.

Zary had an injury plagued year and then needed a full year in the AHL to get to where he is now.

Wolf maybe? But not sure I see his development as botched.

Pelletier made the team out of camp last year after playing the last half of two seasons ago in the show. Then got hurt.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Miromanov is 27, so I think he is what he is sticks to him as well. I'm just not seeing anything that has me going "wow, he needs to stay in the lineup!". Barrie isn't great and it's not like I'm a fan but it might be a good idea to give him a stretch of games so when he does have to go in he isn't colder than a witches privates.

I think games played is also a factor in the 'is what he is' category. He has not played more than 64 games in a season, with several seasons significantly less than that. And he has been in 7 different leagues in the prior 7 seasons.

Neither he, nor anyone else, knows what he can be yet.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think win now moves would be keeping Kuz and Mantha even if they go UFA.

Or even signing them to extensions.

Signing players who want to stay doesn't qualify as 'win now' for me.

Win now moves are anything where you are spending future capital (picks, prospects, etc) to improve the current team.

If you trade 7 vets for picks and prospects, over a year and a half, then sign a couple vets to extensions (while probably also trading other vets), I don't think you've tipped the scales into win now mode.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Pospisil came out of nowhere ... he was 21st on the CP prospect ranking prior to last year's training camp.

Zary had an injury plagued year and then needed a full year in the AHL to get to where he is now.

Wolf maybe? But not sure I see his development as botched.

Pelletier made the team out of camp last year after playing the last half of two seasons ago in the show. Then got hurt.

Yup, the first two were dishes ready to serve and the third looked ready, got dropped on the floor and has been sent back to the kitchen.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The Weegar / Miromanov pairing is getting fed on nightly basis when it comes to play driving metrics.

Guessing that's not Weegar, but I'm sure he plays a role.

If it continues they'll have to try someone else in that spot, and yeah maybe we see Miromanov down the roster or out.

His numbers were great in a 20 game sample size last year, but they're suspect in a 4 game sample this year.

Weegar likes to take risks and jump in the play, and as a result, I don't think Miromanov is a good match. Weegar would be better off with a steadier partner, like Bean. And put Miromanov on the 3rd pairing, with Pachal.

My 2 cents.

[dammage79]

Yeah, I don't see Conroy spending draft and prospect capital on improving the team. His plan is to build through the draft and development system.

I can envision swapping prospects from positions of strength to address positions of weakness. But that's down the road

[HighLifeMan]

I don't get the Miromanov criticism. He has done his job, and we are 4-0. The sample size from last year was much larger and that pairing dominated down the stretch. Leave them be.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Bingo

According to moneypuck, Huska has the two top pairings pretty much even in defensive zone starts and offensive zone starts (Weegar #1 on the team for offensive zone starts and it's not all that close), with the third pairing mostly coming off the bench on the fly.

Can't find quality of opposition on the net anymore but assuming that's equal too then Andersson/Bahl are doing a much better job with similar deployment.

I was talking 5v5. Not all situations.

The zone starts are much less favourable to Weegar and Miromanov at 5v5.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I was talking 5v5. Not all situations.

The zone starts are much less favourable to Weegar and Miromanov at 5v5.

Apologies!

Yeah right you are ... didn't realize the site defaults to all situations.

Toughest starts for that pairing means they should get more time, and Miromanov is being asked to do a lot given his experience level.

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I don't get the Miromanov criticism. He has done his job, and we are 4-0. The sample size from last year was much larger and that pairing dominated down the stretch. Leave them be.

From a simple eye test, the only two players I haven't loved this year have been Miro and Bean. Not to say they've been horrible, as everyone on the team has been playing solid, but those two stick out to me as just short-term plug and plays while the likes of Brz, Grush, Parekh, etc find their way.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Signing players who want to stay doesn't qualify as 'win now' for me.

Win now moves are anything where you are spending future capital (picks, prospects, etc) to improve the current team.

If you trade 7 vets for picks and prospects, over a year and a half, then sign a couple vets to extensions (while probably also trading other vets), I don't think you've tipped the scales into win now mode.

It does if the term is such that you think it won't age well. That is definitely sacrificing some future.

Remember, Conroy tried to extend Lindholm and Hanafin as well too.

I'm still not certain that Calgary didn't have the rebuild forced upon them.

Conroy has shown that he's not willing to let UFA's walk for nothing. That's a huge difference.

[Knut]

Need to wait for November Mantha before deciding anything on him.

He always starts off hot and tails off. Like Brian Savage used to do.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It does if the term is such that you think it won't age well. That is definitely sacrificing some future.

Remember, Conroy tried to extend Lindholm and Hanafin as well too.

I'm still not certain that Calgary didn't have the rebuild forced upon them.

Conroy has shown that he's not willing to let UFA's walk for nothing. That's a huge difference.

Fair, but until he actually signs someone for too long, it's moot.

As for Hanifin and Lindholm, I think people make too much out of those. Conroy offered what he thought was fair, and wouldn't go into expensive territory. So I don't see those as being particularly future-unfriendly.

Also, we need to remember that there was a deep core on this team, until some guys asked to be moved. Once they did, Conroy pivoted. To say that he did so begrudgingly, is unfair. The fact is that he did. Fans always want rebuilds. That's on them. Conroy did what he thought was right, he never let the players dictate the path, nor did he try to hold on to anything too long.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Of course not, but it has to limit his aggression for this season I would think. He simply can't afford to treat this as a 'not my problem' thing, because the implications around the first round pick conditions are just too important for the future of the franchise.

I agree with the bold, but I suspect that even without the trade conditions he would limit his aggressiveness this season. Conroy lived through the same years with Treliving that we all did. I suspect that remembers better than all of us that it was a mistake after 2014-15 to push the chips all-in and declare the rebuild over.

I disagree with the underlined. Any first round pick is important for the future of the franchise, but the 2025 first round pick's implications are too uncertain to make any declarations that it is so important for the franchise. How is he to make plans around that pick until he knows where the team is likely going to end up in the standings, the progress of his young players, or the offers from other teams at the trade deadline for cap space or players or futures?

I'm not suggesting that Conroy be ignorant of the conditions on the pick, but he can't let that dictate every move this season. If the team goes through a terrible stretch like Arizona last season and looks hard pressed to make the playoffs, then I suspect that we will see a lot of veterans traded for futures and young players brought up to fill roles, similar to last year. If the team continues to play above its head, then he probably lets the season play out.

For context, my issue with Treliving's tenure was that in my view he undervalued the draft for gathering players over trades and free agents. Giving a second round pick for defensive depth seemingly every year drove me nuts.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Fair, but until he actually signs someone for too long, it's moot.

As for Hanifin and Lindholm, I think people make too much out of those. Conroy offered what he thought was fair, and wouldn't go into expensive territory. So I don't see those as being particularly future-unfriendly.

Also, we need to remember that there was a deep core on this team, until some guys asked to be moved. Once they did, Conroy pivoted. To say that he did so begrudgingly, is unfair. The fact is that he did. Fans always want rebuilds. That's on them. Conroy did what he thought was right, he never let the players dictate the path, nor did he try to hold on to anything too long.

With Lindholm seems like his ask was exorbitant and they didn't do much negotiating, his comments are he knew in September that he would be traded.

Hanifin was given a fair deal, and given what he signed for in Vegas the deal he agreed to here was the same AAV so it's not like he was overpaying to keep players.

It doesn't matter if the rebuild was forced or not, the fact is he had a backup plan and executed it to perfection. He could have easily tried to make hockey deals or go shopping in the offseason with all that cap space.

It really does seem like he wanted to rebuild with the way he has gone about his business.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

From what I know he's never spoken about the issue. He just didn't wear the jersey, which I don't like either, but I also think we have to keep in mind he has family still in Russia.

But it's a leap to say that he shares homophobic views. Unlike the Staals who came out against the jerseys with statements. Kuz has never done that.

Not saying that makes it OK, but it is different.

Judging anyone is wrong unless you really look into the situation and get the entire picture. People should be allowed to be wrong so long as they display a willingness to learn and grow. Typecasting Kuzmenko for that action and assuming he's a horrific homophobe destined to commit hate crimes is not a fair position for anyone to take. Yet there wss one person seemingly adamant that this was the case.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Judging anyone is wrong unless you really look into the situation and get the entire picture. People should be allowed to be wrong so long as they display a willingness to learn and grow. Typecasting Kuzmenko for that action and assuming he's a horrific homophobe destined to commit hate crimes is not a fair position for anyone to take. Yet there wss one person seemingly adamant that this was the case.

Can you point out the person and post you're referring to? I was the only one to express frustration at Kuzmenko over this stuff in recent pages but I would certainly hope you're not projecting what you typed out there onto me.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by activeStick

From Oxford Dictonary:

Yeah, I’ve heard that metaphor before, obviously. I don’t understand the metaphor in relation to Treliving and Conroy… the Canary doesn’t know how to mine, has nothing to do with the act of mining, and likely doesn’t even know its senses are being exploited for the purposes of mining… why would a canary mentor a miner? What kind of correlation does the canary in the aforementioned metaphor have to do with Treliving mentoring Conroy? I assume the meaning is that the Canary leaves the mine when things get bad - as Treliving did with the Flames. However, the Canary is not teaching the miners, it’s merely signalling that it’s time to leave.

TL;DR : canaries can’t use a pick axe with their tiny wings.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Who was in the AHL too long? Botched development?

The Flames haven't been pulling up their talent for years. They've been signing useless vets to fill out roles that prospects should have been playing. I'd go as far to say that every prospect or draft pick post-2016, until Conroy took over, had their development stunted by the Flames reluctance to play their own prospects.

For example, we're talking about Pospisil like he's a great young prospect....he's turning 25. He could be out of his prime within a couple of years.