[PGT] Oilers 3 Flames 1

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

I don't get this.

They likely looked at the replay and decided it either wasn't offside or too close to call (see the other still of the play).

No amount of timeouts or further reviewing would have changed that.

It takes time to analyze the play, and look for conclusive proof. Why do you think benches stall as long as they can before making a challenge? Why do you think the Leafs called a time out last game?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You are ignoring the completely different situations.
Toronto used their time out in the third, to dispute a tying goal.
You are suggesting Huska should have burned his time out, early in the game, to probably arrive at the same conclusion (not to challenge) or risk challenging and handing the Oil a PP to go down 2-0 potentially.

Basically people are upset that he didn't use a time out to make the same decision he made, but without using that time out?

Makes no sense.

'Using the time out early in the game' is the stupidest argument going. You get one time out. Most nights it doesn't even get used. Every goal is game-critical - if you think using the challenge can be beneficial, USE it.

(just making a general argument)

[Enoch Root]

There is no way they had enough time to definitely tell that was onside, in the time they had. TAKE THE TIME. Make sure whether or not you want to challenge.

The Flames are incredibly passive with respect to challenges.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

'Using the time out early in the game' is the stupidest argument going. You get one time out. Most nights it doesn't even get used. Every goal is game-critical - if you think using the challenge can be beneficial, USE it.

(just making a general argument)

They evaluated and decided it wasn’t beneficial
And they were right
I don’t see the issue

[Enoch Root]

General thoughts on the game...

Vladar was a stud - is there anyone that still thinks he isn't an NHL Goalie? Every time he gets more work, he shines.

(As expected), Coronato didn't fit on the Kadri line, and was a step behind all night.

Weegar competes. I literally did not notice Hanifin once. Andersson was frustrating.

I really hope we trade Lindholm - I always liked him, but I am done with him.

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What does “never acceptable” even mean? Posters throw “unacceptable” around a lot but it has zero meaning. You don’t like that they lost? Ok. But that’s different than not accepting it.

You don’t accept that they lost? Does that mean you don’t believe it, that you are quitting being a Flames fan or something else?

I think the point of the post is pretty clear, losing to the oilers should carry extra weight for both the players and fans.

Wasn’t looking for a tree in the forest type discussion based on the literal leaning of the word…..

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They evaluated and decided it wasn’t beneficial
And they were right
I don’t see the issue

Did they? Do you know that?

Turns out they were right. Great.

Doesn't mean we can't challenge the process. And this isn't the first time they have been overly passive about challenges. Nor was it the first time he didn't do anything to buy his video guy more time.

I am not one of the negative people here. But it's okay to criticize the team sometimes. No one is perfect.

[Teroy]

Who cares when they call a time out. If you think the goal was off side then take the time to make sure. One goal less is best at any time.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Who cares when they call a time out. If you think the goal was off side then take the time to make sure. One goal less is best at any time.

Or at least have a chat with the ref. There are lots of ways to buy a bit of time.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Who cares when they call a time out. If you think the goal was off side then take the time to make sure. One goal less is best at any time.

That’s the point
They didn’t think it was off side
At least not strongly enough to over turn
And they were probably right

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Did they? Do you know that?

Turns out they were right. Great.

Doesn't mean we can't challenge the process. And this isn't the first time they have been overly passive about challenges. Nor was it the first time he didn't do anything to buy his video guy more time.

I am not one of the negative people here. But it's okay to criticize the team sometimes. No one is perfect.

Where I did say it’s not ok to criticize the team
This though is baseless
They made the right call. There is no issue here
I suspect if not for the stuff with the leafs the game before (which was also a silly amount of whining) that this would not be a thing

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Where I did say it’s not ok to criticize the team
This though is baseless
They made the right call. There is no issue here
I suspect if not for the stuff with the leafs the game before (which was also a silly amount of whining) that this would not be a thing

It's been a thing with me for a while - all season basically. It's been a pattern.

I am glad that you are certain that they knew, in the short time they had.

I suspect differently, but regardless - BUY YOUR VIDEO GUY MORE TIME. Always. The more time the better. How can you not see that is a good general strategy.

[Jiri Hrdina]

If they saw an angle that meant they didn’t need more time there’s no point in trying to buy more of it

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If they saw an angle that meant they didn’t need more time there’s no point in trying to buy more of it

You know you don't believe that - more angles is always better. More time means more views, means more certainty - either way.

Anyway, I'm done with this.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's been a thing with me for a while - all season basically. It's been a pattern.

I am glad that you are certain that they knew, in the short time they had.

I suspect differently, but regardless - BUY YOUR VIDEO GUY MORE TIME. Always. The more time the better. How can you not see that is a good general strategy.

Can you break down the video review and communication process between the video guy and the coaching staff?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think the Flames just don't play well against the Oilers because the Oilers rattle them. They are good at getting Calgary off their game plan, and this season they also hold the ability to intimidate them physically.



I thought that Calgary was dominated by the Oilers last night. Had if not been for Vladar's heroics, this would have been a blow-out loss, and it should have been a route for the Oilers halfway through the 1st period.


How tested was Vladar? How tested was Skinner? In my opinion, it was fairly lopsided, no? Sure, the easy counter-argument is that if it wasn't for a single fortuitous bounce, the Oilers may not have won that game. That's not lost on me. I also think that Vladar counts as part of the team, and him standing on his head is just him doing what needs to be done as a member of this team.


However, I also think that Calgary has been the recipient of some really good goaltending this season, and yet they are not in the playoffs. I think Calgary has some really great things going for them (aside from the goaltending that i just mentioned). I think they are a fun team to watch this season and one that is easy to cheer for, which was NOT the case last season. I love some of the storylines this year, especially the ones involving Huberdeau's and Markstrom's resurgence. I love Coleman's amazing performance this year. I love the push the kids have made up and down this lineup. I love how Huska has this team playing - entertaining, sustainable and much more resilient.



This team has the goaltending and depth to enjoy a long playoffs. They absolutely do. What they are missing is simply high-end talent. Give this team 2 franchise-talents for the first line, but a #1 defencemen that can control the game at times, and you are probably looking at a Stanley Cup winner, if they can avoid injuries. That's how I look at this team. That's not nothing. That's definitely something, and hats' off to to the scouting team that drafted so many good players, and even to Treliving for making trades that strengthened the considerable depth that this team has.


It just doesn't have enough top-end talent. It shows especially in games like this. Vladar gave the Flames every chance to steal this game. They Flames still couldn't steal it because they couldn't manage to have any sustained pressure on Skinner. Sure, Skinner made good saves when he was tested, but it was completely lopsided. I am not sure that the Flames would have won if the proverbial goalie-tutor was in net instead of Skinner. Oilers didn't give up much as compared to the Flames.



I am just happy that Vladar just played so well. It is embarrassing enough having a home game that feels like an away game, but at least the multitude of Edmonton fans didn't have much of an opportunity to gloat. Imagine what the arena would have been like had Vladar let in even 3 goals in the first period? That's also 2 consecutive games in which one could have been forgiven for being confused about which was the home team, and which was the away team.


I love the depth that this team has, I love how this team is playing, and I really love a number of players on this team right now, whereas last year I was mostly apathetic to them. They are easy to cheer for. They are fun to watch. They are resilient. I love Huska and how he has them playing. I love Conroy for injecting this positive vibe that you can feel, and having a bunch of kids in the lineup. After the debacle of last season, this season feels wonderful. Still no better than they were last season so far, but it certainly feels better.


They just need to take a step back, draft and develop a couple of high-end talents. Easier said than done, but that's what I think this franchise needs - Franchise-level players - in order to have any sustained success.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Can you break down the video review and communication process between the video guy and the coaching staff?

Ooh, good one.

Can Jiri?

Are you also going to argue that more time isn't better?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Ooh, good one.

Can Jiri?

Are you also going to argue that more time isn't better?

I don’t know if Jiri can, I’m asking if you can. What’s the process, how do they follow it, and when does the communication happen between video and the coaching staff?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You know you don't believe that - more angles is always better. More time means more views, means more certainty - either way.

Anyway, I'm done with this.

You need enough information to make a confident decision. If they had that - they don't need to try to buy more time.

It's a pretty easy decision
What is the confidence that it will be over turned
What is the situation in the game at the time.

Based on that, what should we do.

I suspect it was a quick call up to the video guy where he said "There is at least one angle where it looks on side. We aren't going to win this. Don't challenge".

Decision made.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Ooh, good one.

Can Jiri?

Are you also going to argue that more time isn't better?

More time is better if you need it.
Otherwise it's a waste of time.