[News] Milan Lucic involved in domestic incident; Taking indefinite leave of absence

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by EN FUEGO

No, my views are not dangerous, I'm just being real and honest. I'm not taking any action on Lucic here at all aside from voicing my concerns about how this will play out. Spare me the virtue signaling/high horse treatment here. Do you still consider OJ innocent too, despite writing a book called "If I did it....."? Due process/fair trial under the law, etc is all vitally important, but there is no law that states that I need to give every human being the benefit of the doubt and trust they are innocent until a court of law has proven them guilty. If I see you steal something from my property, I should assume you're innocent until you've been proven guilty in court next year? Give me a break, man. I understand false accusations can be dangerous, but this situation does not seem to be fabricated.

Going for the straw man triple-double.

[EN FUEGO]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Going for the straw man triple-double.

Ha....sorry if this is a reference to the OJ thing, but it's just a pet peeve of mine, that people cry out "innocent until proven guilty!" when that is not really how they themselves operate in everyday life. (nor are they under any obligation to do so)

Criminal courts in most countries have built that in so folks get a fair trial, which I think is extremely important.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by EN FUEGO

Ha....sorry if this is a reference to the OJ thing, but it's just a pet peeve of mine, that people cry out "innocent until proven guilty!" when that is not really how they themselves operate in everyday life. (nor are they under any obligation to do so)

Criminal courts in most countries have built that in so folks get a fair trial, which I think is extremely important.

For the record, I think Lucic probably did it.

That's typically the case with domestic abuse calls. Lucic was arrested and placed under bail conditions. He's already being punished. Not being able to go home, play hockey, or see your children for many weeks or months is a pretty big punishment. As a father, not being able to see my kid for a few months would kill me.

Based on what I've seen, assuming this is a first offence, the kind of violence that left the victim with a few red marks but no permanent damage or severe bruising is not likely to lead to a jail sentence. Just a prolonged period of not being able to see your kids, counselling, and thinking about your own life choices. Regardless of whether he did it or not, the punishment is likely to be pretty close to the same.

I guess I'm not willing to go as far to call Lucic a piece of crap just yet.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by blankall

For the record, I think Lucic probably did it.

That's typically the case with domestic abuse calls. Lucic was arrested and placed under bail conditions. He's already being punished. Not being able to go home, play hockey, or see your children for many weeks or months is a pretty big punishment. As a father, not being able to see my kid for a few months would kill me.

Based on what I've seen, assuming this is a first offence, the kind of violence that left the victim with a few red marks but no permanent damage or severe bruising is not likely to lead to a jail sentence. Just a prolonged period of not being able to see your kids, counselling, and thinking about your own life choices. Regardless of whether he did it or not, the punishment is likely to be pretty close to the same.

I guess I'm not willing to go as far to call Lucic a piece of crap just yet.

so you believe he assaulted his wife but you're not willing to call him a piece of crap? what else would he be?

[EN FUEGO]

Originally Posted by blankall

For the record, I think Lucic probably did it.

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I guess I'm not willing to go as far to call Lucic a piece of crap just yet.

I basically agree here, and I'm not here to take shots at the guy. I've had friends who've been in similar situations and ended up improving themselves after some soul searching like you mentioned. I hope that's the final outcome here, but I have doubts as to the guy's ultimate character (a player I have looked up to) given what's been reported.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

so you believe he assaulted his wife but you're not willing to call him a piece of crap? what else would he be?

There still a good chance he didn't do it too, or that the situation is a lot more complex than him simply assaulting her. She could have been striking or pushing him and he pulled her hair to get her away. Sounds bad, but it's better than striking her with a closed fist.

Or he could have done exactly what his wife is accusing him of.

Saying someone probably did something isn't the same as saying they definitely did.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by blankall

There still a good chance he didn't do it too, or that the situation is a lot more complex than him simply assaulting her. She could have been striking or pushing him and he pulled her hair to get her away. Sounds bad, but it's better than striking her with a closed fist.

Or he could have done exactly what his wife is accusing him of.

Saying someone probably did something isn't the same as saying they definitely did.

So, if so, he chose not to put it in his statement? If we are getting his wife's statement out in public, something like that would have surely come out as well. Even from a horrible PR perspective, he would want that there. (and I can't believe I just typed that vile of an idea).

And if so, the police have chosen to charge him, and him only?

Look I get we have to wait for the courts for this to go through. But based on the evidence we have as the public, he's....looking like an arse to say the least.

Want to take the "everyone is innocent until proven/convicted guilty/I am going to wait until all the information comes out" - sure. So then why not just state that and not get into ideas of what could have/should have happened? It kind of defeats the "I am going to wait until I hear all the facts" angle.

This is not all at you, sorry. But as others have said, holy this thread. Its a credible accusation, which the police have also echoed, and is going to the courts, about domestic assualt guys. Jeepers.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

so you believe he assaulted his wife but you're not willing to call him a piece of crap? what else would he be?

Uh, this.

I wasn't aware there was a threshold for abuse that separated okay guys we should reserve judgment on from pieces of crap. There is an amount of physical abuse that's "ok" in some people's minds that isn't zero?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

So, if so, he chose not to put it in his statement? If we are getting his wife's statement out in public, something like that would have surely come out as well. Even from a horrible PR perspective, he would want that there. (and I can't believe I just typed that vile of an idea).

And if so, the police have chosen to charge him, and him only?

Look I get we have to wait for the courts for this to go through. But based on the evidence we have as the public, he's....looking like an arse to say the least.

Want to take the "everyone is innocent until proven/convicted guilty/I am going to wait until all the information comes out" - sure. So then why not just state that and not get into ideas of what could have/should have happened? It kind of defeats the "I am going to wait until I hear all the facts" angle.

This is not all at you, sorry. But as others have said, holy this thread. Its a credible accusation, which the police have also echoed, and is going to the courts, about domestic assualt guys. Jeepers.

I have no problem with people talking to examples they’ve come across about why he may have broken the law or didn’t. It’s important to know that not every charge leads to a conviction. People are going to believe whatever they want to based on their biases either way. Outlining what the possibilities are isn’t a big deal. I have no skin in this game.

[Ferarri]

Very sad situation for his wife and kids. Hope they are doing okay and get professional and family help as well.

As far as Lucic, give him a one way ticket to Viking Alberta for some good old Sutter boot camp.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

If he was that upset over a missing cell phone, imagine if she put pineapple on a pizza.

I would hazard a guess that his real concern was that she had his phone and was checking it out.

Although I understand that most NHL players have two phones.

[playmaker]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Although I understand that most NHL players have two phones.

One for Mike Babcock?

[midniteowl]

Any time when a man lay his hands on his wife, the mother of his children, physically attacking her, doesn't matter how big or small the injury is, he is a piece of crap in my eyes. At the end, he may not found guilty in the eyes of the law, but he is a piece of crap!

[Press Level]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

so you believe he assaulted his wife but you're not willing to call him a piece of crap? what else would he be?

Let's not rush to judgement. He could also be a piece of garbage.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by rooster

All you f#$%^&*s that are "reading between the lines" are pathetic! Just f$%^&*g pathetic! If you have nothing better to do then speculate on something this serious that you know nothing about you need to get yourself lives.

Okay Milan

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Any time when a man lay his hands on his wife, the mother of his children, physically attacking her, doesn't matter how big or small the injury is, he is a piece of crap in my eyes. At the end, he may not found guilty in the eyes of the law, but he is a piece of crap!

It's pretty clear that it was not nothing.

A line was crossed. Enough to warrant his wife calling 9-1-1. Whatever the extent of that happened to be, Lucic done goofed big time.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by blankall

For the record, I think Lucic probably did it.

Lucic was only 6 years old at the time of those murders.

But he probably had a mustache and weighed more than most 12 year olds by then, so who knows.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

It's pretty clear that it was not nothing.

A line was crossed. Enough to warrant his wife calling 9-1-1. Whatever the extent of that happened to be, Lucic done goofed big time.

Since someone has posted that we don't know what has happened, we don't know if he assaulted the mother of his children, we don't know the whole story, we don't know if he is guilty. It might looks like he did it but we don't know, so someone is not ready to call him a piece of crap. My post is intended to say that I'm ready to call him a piece of crap.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Any time when a man lay his hands on his wife, the mother of his children, physically attacking her, doesn't matter how big or small the injury is, he is a piece of crap in my eyes. At the end, he may not found guilty in the eyes of the law, but he is a piece of crap!

The facts of stumbling in drunk and having a substantial argument while his kids were hosting a sleepover do not seem to be in doubt. That alone meets my threshold to make my estimation of Milan Lucic as a man plummet, regardless of any court ruling. But I'm just a rando on the...I really struggle to see why anyone would feel the need to defend Lucic's presumption of innocence from internet randos, but to each their own.

A little tough of speculation I'd add is that the sleepover element significantly reduces the already very low odds of Mrs. Lucic making an unfounded/spiteful 911 call. Consciously or subconsciously I suspect the social judgment of dialing those three numbers would influence most people's threshold for making the call. Little Jimmy going home and telling his parents that "Mr. and Mrs. Lucic had a loud argument" is a lot different than "Mr. and Mrs. Lucic had a loud argument and the police came"

[Zulu29]

If he was arrested and especially if he was formally charged then there would have been substantial evidence to support same. No doubt in my mind he assaulted his wife. Now how he chooses to proceed from here on out will show what type of person he truly is.