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[Ashasx]

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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If the Flames retool Backlund is gone.

We will see. If it happens it might not be until the last year of his deal.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by butterfly

No retention on Kadri. That's 6 years of retention and double it if the other team does a buyout.

Kadri can stay or someone can trade for him straight up.

Why? If you can get a respectable return for him by retaining $1-2M I would go for that in a heartbeat. He would still have to turn his season around to make himself more appealing.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Why? If you can get a respectable return for him by retaining $1-2M I would go for that in a heartbeat. He would still have to turn his season around to make himself more appealing.

It would have to be a pretty healthy return from my perspective. This team is not competing any time soon. The only reason you would trade Kadri or Huberdeau right now would be to save the owners money on salary.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Why? If you can get a respectable return for him by retaining $1-2M I would go for that in a heartbeat. He would still have to turn his season around to make himself more appealing.

Retention past 2 seasons is never a good idea.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I hope we start making moves right away. I understand the patience but if this team starts to go on a roll, I'm afraid the "direction" of the team may change again.

We all know this team is finishing in the 18-23 range regardless. If you're expecting anything else, you aren't a true fan.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Retention past 2 seasons is never a good idea.

Neither is keeping players like Kadri and Hubby for the remaining 6/7 seasons on their deals. Nobody is touch Hubby even at full retention unless you're taking something equally as bad back. But Kadri, I'd happily eat 1-2M per to unload him and possibly bring a useful piece back.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Neither is keeping players like Kadri and Hubby for the remaining 6/7 seasons on their deals.

Why?

The Flames have to ice a team, and they have to stay about the floor. They also need veteran leaders. These guys check all those boxes.

[PeteMoss]

We aren't good already - some people want to be completely terrible for 5 years by trading everything that isn't tied down.

You can re-build without turning into complete San Jose like garbage.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

We aren't good already - some people want to be completely terrible for 5 years by trading everything that isn't tied down.

You can re-build without turning into complete San Jose like garbage.

lol San Jose should have sold everything they could have, the Flames are basically them 2 years earlier. That is basically what the Flames will be if they botch the UFA trades

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

We aren't good already - some people want to be completely terrible for 5 years by trading everything that isn't tied down.

You can re-build without turning into complete San Jose like garbage.

You can - But it's less likely to work

And SJ is actually the warning for what happens if you dont fully commit with a proper strategy

No farm system, not many extra picks, and bad contracts still around

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You can - But it's less likely to work

And SJ is actually the warning for what happens if you dont fully commit with a proper strategy

No farm system, not many extra picks, and bad contracts still around

Is this objectively true? Or is it the impression we get because we remember the odd successful team doing it this way and we forget the teams that try it and live in a wasteland for years on end?

[Finger Cookin]

Somehow this inside report makes me think we won't see any players moved off this roster until 2024.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You can - But it's less likely to work

And SJ is actually the warning for what happens if you dont fully commit with a proper strategy

No farm system, not many extra picks, and bad contracts still around

But, the Flames are already ahead of SJ, then, since they presently have a pretty healthy looking farm system that is already producing NHL talent.

Also, I am failing to see how—once a rebuild starts—bad contracts are in any way an impediment to achieving the goal.

[Ford Prefect]

I agree that carrying bad contracts during a retool/rebuild is no big deal. They’re a much bigger problem when you’re trying to be competitive and make the best use of your cap space. If you’re not going for it they don’t matter, other than to the payroll department.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But, the Flames are already ahead of SJ, then, since they presently have a pretty healthy looking farm system that is already producing NHL talent.

Also, I am failing to see how—once a rebuild starts—bad contracts are in any way an impediment to achieving the goal.

If they sign more bad contracts via UFA to half arse it once they clear cap room this year

They have a healthy head start on SJ , but still have one of the weakest farm systems in the league

If the Flames start this year they should plan for at least 2 more full tear down seasons before trying to start being better , not take on any contract longer then 3 years, and use cap room to help teams in the offseason to unload contracts

Get as many picks as you can , and in 3 years you can start moving forward properly

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Is this objectively true? Or is it the impression we get because we remember the odd successful team doing it this way and we forget the teams that try it and live in a wasteland for years on end?

Of course it is true - look at the last 15 years of cup winner and how they were built

Every one except STL and LV has a first or seconds self drafted overall superstar leading their team

That is how you win . Home grown drafted superstars .

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If the Flames retool Backlund is gone.

Well then Captain Backlund had best step up on his soapbox and encourage these clowns to start playing like a goddamned team.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Of course it is true - look at the last 15 years of cup winner and how they were built

Every one except STL and LV has a first or seconds self drafted overall superstar leading their team

That is how you win . Home grown drafted superstars .

Other posters have mentioned this before, and so have I, but it bears repeating:

Ninety percent of Stanley Cup winners have had a top-3 draft pick to build on.

Ninety percent of all teams have had a top-3 draft pick to build on.

It doesn't alter the odds.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why?

The Flames have to ice a team, and they have to stay about the floor. They also need veteran leaders. These guys check all those boxes.

Plus, by the time the new young core is beginning to bloom, Huberdeau will be one of the longest tenured flames, and if he’s had a few strong seasons helping to develop Celembrimbor et al, we’ll have a “win one for Hubey” situation.