[PGT] Flames lose 3-1 to the Rangers

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

In other words, it's Wolf time.

Can we start Wolf at the Winter Classic and have Dansk as the back up?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

I switched over to your game after the 'Hawks were stonewalled by Swayman, and saw that Shesterkin had a similarly great game against your guys. The Rags just backed in for the whole 3rd, but, very little seemed to threaten Shesterkin, until Huberdeau skated through his stick, but, then Tanev bailed him with the clear interference in shooting the stick out of the zone, and that, with the Coleman penalty, sealed the outcome.


Over the years, I have seen a lot of inter-conference games where the unfamiliarity of the opponent, and the lack of rivalry passion, leaves the game in the hands of goaltending, Again, I only saw your 3rd period, but it looked like your guys just had no answer for the Rags goalie.

Can someone please explain the rule on this? Is it because the stick wasn’t broken that Tanev got a penalty for it? I see people shoot discarded broken sticks out of the middle of the ice a lot, unpenalized.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by jayswin

C'mon guys, Toffoli was right in line with the type of re-signing 90% of CP was against. Let's not get revisionist. Sharangovich is not a tweener by any damn standard. C'mon, let's keep our heads on during this time?

Trading Toffoli, good idea.

Making a trade focused on “now”, bad idea.

Conroy even said picks were offered but not this year (2023), and that’s not what they were after.

It was a stupid trade when it happened, and it only looks worse the further we get from it.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by jayswin

C'mon guys, Toffoli was right in line with the type of re-signing 90% of CP was against. Let's not get revisionist.

Could've made a better trade still.

If you're willing to hold out for the right return with these other players then you've got to do the same with toffoli. He had a career year!

They dipped their toe in to make a trade and lost a foot.

And the fact that they were that enamored with Sharangovich, a guy that playoff team deemed worthy of sitting, expecting he could be in toffoli's ballpark shows how misguided our player evaluation is.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Attendance listed at 16,800. Hope this continues to drop so ownership can see the apathy.

That's so bad, wow. They had the perfect storm of high attendance - home opener + first game at home after a long road trip.

This shows we'll see lots of "season ticket base + 200 - 500". also minus whatever season ticket holders don't show up.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Can someone please explain the rule on this? Is it because the stick wasn’t broken that Tanev got a penalty for it? I see people shoot discarded broken sticks out of the middle of the ice a lot, unpenalized.

not an unbroken goalie stick.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Can we start Wolf at the Winter Classic and have Dansk as the back up?

Why stop there? Start the Wranglers.

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I'll accept the criticism of Huberdeau, but this assertion is utter bull****. Huberdeau did everything he could last season to be a Sutter player to the point of being one of the better defensive players in the league after accepting Sutter's challenge.

Let's be frustrated but let's not bull****.

So is that mean Huberdeau is no more good player? Even he tries his hardest, he is just not player who we expected.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Zito was so lucky to be sitting on a 115 point trade chip that could fool an out of conference team that didn't do their homework.

No wonder he was doing cartwheels when he turned those guys into Tkachuk.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Murray Edwards is the problem.

This is more true than you know. Edwards is a known meddler in his CNRL operations, right down to specific wells.

....Same with his hockey team.

This team won't rebuild while Edwards is the owner.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The worst thing about all of this is that Sutter probably accurately assessed exactly what Huby and Kadri were as players and was probably trying to teach them how to be an effective part of a championship team. And instead of becoming team players and learning from Sutter (like Iggy and Kopitar and Richards and Carter and Brown did)...Huby and Kadri just ####ed around all season and learned #### all.

Originally Posted by jayswin

I'll accept the criticism of Huberdeau, but this assertion is utter bull****. Huberdeau did everything he could last season to be a Sutter player to the point of being one of the better defensive players in the league after accepting Sutter's challenge.

Let's be frustrated but let's not bull****.

Originally Posted by NewFan

So is that mean Huberdeau is no more good player? Even he tries his hardest, he is just not player who we expected.

I don't know what this almost English is suggesting, but all I was responding to was the idea that Huberdeau wasn't willing to buy into what Sutter was selling. That is 100% bull****, as he did the exact opposite last season.

[ben voyonsdonc]

It seems like, when Gaudreau left and Tkachuk was going to flee, that Tre realized that the team was going to be missing two key puzzle pieces. So he raided two puzzle pieces that seemed like they’d fit from totally different puzzles but they just don’t fit.

I don’t know if there is a good solution. Having two massive liabilities on your books for another 5 and 7 years after this season is a big problem. I strongly urge Conroy to avoid adding potential long term liabilities like Lindholm. I like the player but I’m not sure, that without playing with superstars, that he is a whole lot more than the 22 goal scorer that we had last year and paying him $9m+ for another 8 years just compounds the issue.

We are in a hole.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

It seems like, when Gaudreau left and Tkachuk was going to flee, that Tre realized that the team was going to be missing two key puzzle pieces. So he raided two puzzle pieces that seemed like they’d fit from totally different puzzles but they just don’t fit.

I don’t know if there is a good solution. Having two massive liabilities on your books for another 5 and 7 years after this season is a big problem. I strongly urge Conroy to avoid adding potential long term liabilities like Lindholm. I like the player but I’m not sure, that without playing with superstars, that he is a whole lot more than the 22 goal scorer that we had last year and paying him $9m+ for another 8 years just compounds the issue.

We are in a hole.

It hurts so bad that AT WORST we could have had Gaudreau and Tkachuk at $10.5 and $10.5AAV but now we're looking at Huberdeau and Lindholm at $1.5-$2mil less. Sooooo heartbreaking.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

- They are 16th overall in expected goals for per 60, and 23rd overall in actual goals for per 60.
- They are in 9th place in expected goals against per 60, and 32nd overall in actual goals against per 60.

Think about that... we're so bad at scoring that we can't even meet such lofty expectations as just simply being average at it. On the other side, we're expected to be top 10 at keeping the puck out of our net, but instead we're the worst team in hockey when it comes to actually preventing goals.

Or maybe expected goal models don’t actually capture what matters

They miss a lot

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I don't know what this almost English is suggesting, but all I was responding to was the idea that Huberdeau wasn't willing to buy into what Sutter was selling. That is 100% bull****, as he did the exact opposite last season.

He he, Sorry my English. But my problem with Huberdeau is he can't complete simple things not related with system. Can't clear the puck, Can't win the puck battle, can't skate with puck, can't connect with his linemates.
He is physically just like Červenka or Czarnik with less speed.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by jayswin

His plan was to build around these two players, but his miscalculation was that he could take their continued signings for granted because they were young, while choosing to instead sign veterans willy nilly around them while nickel and diming them because they were RFA's.

Miscalculated power move in a world where the brightest, young stars hold all the power.

"let's save $1-2mil per year on our RFA young stars so we can overpay the supporting cast". Bad move.

This post is absolutely correct

Brad was a grinder. His lack of acumen has set this franchise back significantly and for years

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I don't know what this almost English is suggesting, but all I was responding to was the idea that Huberdeau wasn't willing to buy into what Sutter was selling. That is 100% bull****, as he did the exact opposite last season.

I agree, I think Huberdeau was trying last season. It's not an attitude thing with him. He is just not as good as people thought. He is a one-trick pony that needs everything to align perfectly in order to be productive. That hasn't happened yet and it may never given that he isn't going to be getting younger.

The Flames really need to figure this out. Eight years of this could be a franchise killer.

[thefoss1957]

56.2 Minor Penalty - A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who
interferes with or impedes the progress of an opponent who is not in
possession of the puck.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who restrains an
opponent who is attempting to “fore-check.”
A minor penalty shall be imposed on an attacking player who
deliberately checks a defensive player, including the goalkeeper, who
is not in possession of the puck.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who shall cause an
opponent who is not in possession of the puck to be forced off-side,
causing a stoppage in play. If this action causes a delayed off-side
(and not necessarily a stoppage in play), then the application of a
penalty for interference is subject to the judgment of the Referee.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who deliberately
knocks a stick out of an opponent’s hand, or who prevents a player
who has dropped his stick or any other piece of equipment from
regaining possession of it.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who knocks or
shoots any abandoned or broken stick or illegal puck or other debris
towards an opposing puck carrier in a manner that could cause him to
be distracted. (See also Rule 53 – Throwing Equipment.)
A minor penalty shall be imposed on any identifiable player on the
players’ bench or penalty bench who, by means of his stick or his
body, interferes with the movements of the puck or any opponent on
the ice during the progress of the play. In addition, should a player
about to come onto the ice, play the puck while one or both skates are
still on the players’ or penalty bench, a minor penalty for interference
shall be assessed.
The appropriate penalty according to the playing rules shall be
assessed when a player on the players’ or penalty bench gets
involved with an opponent on the ice during a stoppage in play. The
player(s) involved may be subject to additional sanctions as
appropriate pursuant to Rule 28 – Supplementary Discipline.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This post is absolutely correct

Brad was a grinder. His lack of acumen has set this franchise back significantly and for years

Yep, he had great grinding skills but he pushed them on the wrong players. In his eyes it was "on the team = grind to dirt and kill them because the team has control" "not on the team = ease up and roll out the red carpet because you're now a salesman for the team".

[TheScorpion]

16,800 announced attendance tonight is the lowest for a Flames home game in a non-COVID year since the 2005 lockout.

The roads weren't that bad.