Main Camp Day 1 - Kylington will not take part of first day of training camp

[Jiri Hrdina]

They didn't LTIR him because they didn't need to and it was advantageous to not.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Explanation here:
https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/LTIR

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

That’s all my point is. I know agents and still going to do their jobs. But a thank you was needed there. Not I need to leverage my client some more.

"Thank you" was needed only by those who somehow think that Kylington owes them something. Flames management is undoubtedly not so petty. You should also get over it.

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Good for him. That is his opinion. It makes little sense for the organization to put the C on Backlund.

Why?

He is the longest tenured, and many team-mates already consider him the captain.

Contract negotiations have nothing to do with it, that's just business. If he signs (and I think he will), he is the best candidate for the C.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

"Thank you" was needed only by those who somehow think that Kylington owes them something. Flames management is undoubtedly not so petty. You should also get over it.

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See, that is where I will agree to disagree. Anyone who can stay home, focus on their own mental health. All the while being paid 2.5 million and fully supported by the franchise should show a little gratitude. Oliver had many nice things to say about the Flames in his interview. My issue is with the agent and his statement. I doubt that Oliver asked him to say it, but it comes across as very ungrateful and was not the right time to make such a statement. I have 0 problem if that statement is made during the season when Oliver is feeling better and is back playing. The timing is the issue more than anything. Anyway we can move on now. Thanks for the great discussion.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They didn't LTIR him because they didn't need to and it was advantageous to not.

Great question on this year then, would it not be advantageous this year as we are so tight against the cap right now?

That's assuming that Oliver is not playing, which remains to be seen.

I guess we will see how it plays out this year.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Great question on this year then, would it not be advantageous this year as we are so tight against the cap right now?

That's assuming that Oliver is not playing, which remains to be seen.

I guess we will see how it plays out this year.

It only makes sense if you need the overage at that moment, as you stop accruing cap space when you have the player on LTIR.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It only makes sense if you need the overage at that moment, as you stop accruing cap space when you have the player on LTIR.

Interesting, thanks.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

See, that is where I will agree to disagree. Anyone who can stay home, focus on their own mental health. All the while being paid 2.5 million and fully supported by the franchise should show a little gratitude. Oliver had many nice things to say about the Flames in his interview. My issue is with the agent and his statement. I doubt that Oliver asked him to say it, but it comes across as very ungrateful and was not the right time to make such a statement. I have 0 problem if that statement is made during the season when Oliver is feeling better and is back playing. The timing is the issue more than anything. Anyway we can move on now. Thanks for the great discussion.

I think you and others aren't that far apart on whether or not Kylington should show some loyalty.

It should be normal course for a team to take care of their players and keep their situations private. Contract has to be paid regardless. But it's also the right thing to do. It wasn't charity.

Also, I think many of us, if we were in the same situation as Kylington, would be deeply thankful to the team for being in our corners. Tough not to feel indebted.

As for the next contract, the agent has to do his thing. Maybe don't thumb a nose in the direction of the team, but he has to work for the player.

Now, if Kylington somehow actually feels he doesn't want to be in Calgary anymore, then that's his prerogative, but that would feel like (another!) slap in the face.

I used to think OK wasn't going to work out. I don't think he is a saviour on the blueline, but i REALLY like the look of the defense when he is part of it. Adds something that many D don't and works so well with Tanev.

Hope he finds the ice to be a refuge and gets back out there. Just play some hockey and enjoy. What fan of this team doesn't love Kylington?!!!!

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

"Thank you" was needed only by those who somehow think that Kylington owes them something. Flames management is undoubtedly not so petty. You should also get over it.

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I’m betting his contract says he’s supposed to supply something.

[gvitaly]

32 Thoughts mentions Backlund and Kylington.

Regarding Backlund

Originally Posted by Elliotte Friedman

I think they are talking. I don't want to make predictions here because negotiations are a grind. Calgary is going to try to get its best deal and Backlund is going to get his best deal or try to anyway, and it takes time to get there, but I'm under the impression that they are talking and I do believe Backlund has indicated that he is willing to stay. It would not surprise me in the least beat if the Flames are saying "you get this done you're our C". I don't know that they're doing that, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit. It makes sense.

I think the players believe that Backlund is the true captain of the team and I'm sure the organization isn't blind to it. He has come back, remember how he felt at the end of last year he's come back he's in a much better mood. He's very important to them on and off the ice. You know that King Clancy trophy he won last year for his community, I think that was a big thing to remind everybody... this has been an excellent marriage. The marriage between Mikael Backlund and the Calgary Flames has been good for the organization it's been good for Mikael Backlund, his family, and the community of Calgary. and I think everybody is after a summer of deep breath, I think everyone is reconnected here. I do believe they're talking.

I think there's a legitimate chance, I don't think it's imminent or anything else, and you still have to find a sweet spot that makes sense for both player and team. I think there's something here to keep an eye on when it comes to Backlund. I think he now wants to stay, and the Flames want it to happen, so now we just need to get from point A to point B.

[SuperMatt18]

Did they ever share fitness testing results?

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Did they ever share fitness testing results?

Usually releases day 3 or 4 of camp.

They usually indicate who came in first and second and don't elaborate very much.

I expect either Dube, Deuhr or Kylington to win.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why?

He is the longest tenured, and many team-mates already consider him the captain.

Contract negotiations have nothing to do with it, that's just business. If he signs (and I think he will), he is the best candidate for the C.

Well this is strictly my opinion but it doesn't make sense for multiple reasons. First, contract has a lot to do with it. He is coming off his best year statistically, is he going to take a hometown discount? The Flames cannot afford to pay their 3rd line C $5M+ a year without sacrificing younger pieces that are more important in the long run. Second, you have other candidates that are just a good of a choice (better imo) who are here long term. Andersson is the prime example, a guy who says we want players that want to be Flames. Instead you want to give it to a guy who has flip flopped on that for the last two seasons? Third, Backlund has worn a letter for years here and been part of the leadership group, exactly what has this team accomplished in that time? With the exception of last year he has also been a player notorious for taking the first part of the season off. Fourth, he wants to chase a Cup, trade him to a contender.

[Bingo]

Backlund is a good human, no point in arguing that.

He's also been a good investment on his five year contract.

I don't want a 3 year extension at the same dollars though, I'll agree to that. But if it's a two year extension at lesser dollars than yeah give him the C and move on.

The anti Backlund camp has always astounded me, and it's continued to do so for the last 5 or so years.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why?

He is the longest tenured, and many team-mates already consider him the captain.

Contract negotiations have nothing to do with it, that's just business. If he signs (and I think he will), he is the best candidate for the C.

This is critical. If you name the wrong captain, or the captain who the players don't believe is the true captain, you risk dividing the room between the named and unnamed captain.

It would be preferrable to wait until Backlund's UFA status is resolved first if he is who management, players and coaches believe is the right choice for captain over naming different captain.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Backlund is very similar to Bergeron. Which isn't a hot take, it's an easy comparison. Extremely responsible smart player who is very consistent. Just consistently a level below Bergeron. He's also been consistently paid at a level below Bergeron. Because of that consistency, I think the risk of a 3 year deal taking him to 38 years old isn't as high as other players. And, his production suggests he's still worth what he's getting paid now. I'd be fine with a 3 year between $15 and $16MM plus the captaincy. From the outside, it does seem that he's the players choice for the honour.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Backlund is a good human, no point in arguing that.

He's also been a good investment on his five year contract.

I don't want a 3 year extension at the same dollars though, I'll agree to that. But if it's a two year extension at lesser dollars than yeah give him the C and move on.

The anti Backlund camp has always astounded me, and it's continued to do so for the last 5 or so years.

Well I think this is it in a nutshell. My sense is that if Flames are hoping for any kind of “discount” on Backlund they will have to give him some term. Which to me would be 3 years.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well this is strictly my opinion but it doesn't make sense for multiple reasons. First, contract has a lot to do with it. He is coming off his best year statistically, is he going to take a hometown discount? The Flames cannot afford to pay their 3rd line C $5M+ a year without sacrificing younger pieces that are more important in the long run. Second, you have other candidates that are just a good of a choice (better imo) who are here long term. Andersson is the prime example, a guy who says we want players that want to be Flames. Instead you want to give it to a guy who has flip flopped on that for the last two seasons? Third, Backlund has worn a letter for years here and been part of the leadership group, exactly what has this team accomplished in that time? With the exception of last year he has also been a player notorious for taking the first part of the season off. Fourth, he wants to chase a Cup, trade him to a contender.

1) we don't know what his contract will look like, but I suspect it will be fair. And I would assume that the longer the term is, the lower the AAV, and vice versa. SO let's see what it looks like before we decide it's bad.

2) Andersson is also a strong candidate, but I think he also has made comments about Backlund being the de facto captain last year.

3) Backlund's 'flip flop' is a function of being frustrated with Sutter. If he wants to sign now, who cares that he (along with half the team) wanted to get the hell out of town last year?

4) the argument that the Flames haven't won anything with him as part of the leadership group is an empty argument - success is a team function. And Andersson has been a key part of that same team you're referring to, so your argument would apply equally to him.

5) Yes, he wants to chase a cup - most players do. Personally, I want guys who want to chase a cup doing so on my team - wanting a cup is a good thing, no?

[Enoch Root]

1 X $5.5
2 X $5.0
3 X $4.5
4 X $4.0

take your pick, Mikael