[GDT] Youngstars CGY vs VAN: 8:30 PM - Stream in OP

[Jiri Hrdina]

Jesus Christ some of you are insufferable with your negativity. I've attended these tourneys before. The hockey is very sloppy and it is actually sometimes more challenging for the talented players to do well, because of that sloppiness.
It literally means nothing.

[Reggie Dunlop]

If you can't have fun being miserable, why bother?

[getbak]

The Flames defence last night was comprised of:

• 1 player who is under contract to the Flames and will play with the Wranglers this season
• 1 player who is under contract to the Wranglers who has played the majority of his pro career so far in the ECHL
• 1 2023 draft pick
• 1 player who was drafted by the Blues in 2021 and wasn't offered a contract
• 2 players who have gone undrafted multiple times

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Jesus Christ some of you are insufferable with your negativity. I've attended these tourneys before. The hockey is very sloppy and it is actually sometimes more challenging for the talented players to do well, because of that sloppiness.
It literally means nothing.

I didn’t watch, and have little emotional investment these days, but I do find it curious that the Flames always get a pass for these games, even though there are two teams on the ice with the same at stake. It’s only pre-pre-season…. for both teams and we suck more. It’s only pre-season …. for both teams and we suck more. It’s only the first 10 games …. for both teams and we suck more. Always seems to be a reason we are ok with being out performed. Seems that may foster a culture for losing that seeps into the season? I know these games mean nothing, but would feel good to be competitive.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Jesus Christ some of you are insufferable with your negativity. I've attended these tourneys before. The hockey is very sloppy and it is actually sometimes more challenging for the talented players to do well, because of that sloppiness.
It literally means nothing.

Jesus Christ some of you are insufferable with your positivity.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Brendone

I didn’t watch, and have little emotional investment these days, but I do find it curious that the Flames always get a pass for these games, even though there are two teams on the ice with the same at stake. It’s only pre-pre-season…. for both teams and we suck more. It’s only pre-season …. for both teams and we suck more. It’s only the first 10 games …. for both teams and we suck more. Always seems to be a reason we are ok with being out performed. Seems that may foster a culture for losing that seeps into the season? I know these games mean nothing, but would feel good to be competitive.

Of course they should get a pass for these games.
They don't matter. At all.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Jesus Christ some of you are insufferable with your positivity.

That made me LOL.

It's a rookie tournament. Yes. It's also a measuring stick of the strength of the system to others. The Flames are obviously hurting because of lack of talent in the system as a result of trading picks for useless pieces of crap for the NHL roster. Piss poor management is has put the Flames on this course. It is what it is and it was predictable as regression to the mean.

Cue the Treliving fart sniffers to tell us how he did a great job in keeping the system healthy and made great picks. The Flames need to focus on the now because there is no future in the minors for the foreseeable future. The new future starts with Honzek plus five years. That is what we have to live with. We just have to work with it.

[InternationalVillager]

LOL some of you are actually drawing conclusions from this game. HAHAHAHAH!

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

That made me LOL.

It's a rookie tournament. Yes. It's also a measuring stick of the strength of the system to others. The Flames are obviously hurting because of lack of talent in the system as a result of trading picks for useless pieces of crap for the NHL roster. Piss poor management is has put the Flames on this course. It is what it is and it was predictable as regression to the mean.

Cue the Treliving fart sniffers to tell us how he did a great job in keeping the system healthy and made great picks. The Flames need to focus on the now because there is no future in the minors for the foreseeable future. The new future starts with Honzek plus five years. That is what we have to live with. We just have to work with it.

I would be shocked not to see Coronato graduate to the NHL at some point this season. What the hell are you on about? Most of the Flames young guys who are good...are knocking on the door of the NHL and are not in this tournament.

[Teroy]

[QUOTE=Jiri Hrdina;8816929]Of course they should get a pass for these games.
They don't matter. At all.

Of course it matters and the Flames young stars were disappointing. There was nothing positive to say about their performance. If it doesn't matter, why the heck would they do it?

[neo45]

I do worry about our drafting. First draft under Conroy seems better at first glance, I think the last few under Treliving really put us behind most of the league in terms of depth so I hope that gets turned around.

It’s hands down the most important part of the organization moving forward

[InternationalVillager]

[QUOTE=Teroy;8816936]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Of course they should get a pass for these games.
They don't matter. At all.

Of course it matters and the Flames young stars were disappointing. There was nothing positive to say about their performance. If it doesn't matter, why the heck would they do it?

Maybe to give the young players an experience? Some "hands on" time before they send them back to their junior teams? For some of these guys, this experience is the highlight of their careers. Zoom out and think high level. What does this tournament really mean for Coronato and Honzek? Absolutely nothing. They're just there to have a skate and get ready for main camp.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

I would be shocked not to see Coronato graduate to the NHL at some point this season. What the hell are you on about? Most of the Flames young guys who are good...are knocking on the door of the NHL and are not in this tournament.

If he performs like he did last night I would be shocked to see in the NHL at all. He was inconsequential last night in a game where he should have dominated if he were NHL talent. If this was a knock at the door, no one is answering. Last night was a failure of epic proportions for the Flames and their prospects. Some players that were expected to perform were terrible. They have more work to do to get noticed as a result, not less. Every game like this is a statement and the statements made were not good.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

If he performs like he did last night I would be shocked to see in the NHL at all. He was inconsequential last night in a game where he should have dominated if he were NHL talent. If this was a knock at the door, no one is answering. Last night was a failure of epic proportions for the Flames and their prospects. Some players that were expected to perform were terrible. They have more work to do to get noticed as a result, not less. Every game like this is a statement and the statements made were not good.

I can't believe this. Are you OK?

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Of course they should get a pass for these games.
They don't matter. At all.

But they don’t matter for either team… shouldn’t that level the field? Aren’t both teams testing combinations, strategies, etc.

Seems like there’s always reason we’re ok losing, even split squad games.

Calgary rookies vs Edm vets = Edm should win, this is their Stanley Cup.

Edm rookies vs Calgary vets = our vets are mailing it in, resting for opening night.

Always a reason it’s ok for us to put in less effort.

I just find it interesting.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

I can't believe this. Are you OK?

Really? You can't believe that a player who wants to play in the NHL shouldn't be trying to stand out and dominate in every opportunity available? Being inconsequential in a game against minor league talent is a good thing? Are you OK, just not aware how professional sports works?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

That made me LOL.

It's a rookie tournament. Yes. It's also a measuring stick of the strength of the system to others.

No it's really not.

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The Flames are obviously hurting because of lack of talent in the system as a result of trading picks for useless pieces of crap for the NHL roster. Piss poor management is has put the Flames on this course. It is what it is and it was predictable as regression to the mean.

Their system is middle of the road, which is not bad considering the lack of picks.

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Cue the Treliving fart sniffers to tell us how he did a great job in keeping the system healthy and made great picks. The Flames need to focus on the now because there is no future in the minors for the foreseeable future. The new future starts with Honzek plus five years. That is what we have to live with. We just have to work with it.

The usual junk from you. You can't debate without labeling people or insulting them.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Brendone

But they don’t matter for either team… shouldn’t that level the field? Aren’t both teams testing combinations, strategies, etc.

Seems like there’s always reason we’re ok losing, even split squad games.

Calgary rookies vs Edm vets = Edm should win, this is their Stanley Cup.

Edm rookies vs Calgary vets = our vets are mailing it in, resting for opening night.

Always a reason it’s ok for us to put in less effort.

I just find it interesting.

This tourney contains a fraction of talent that will ever make the NHL.
A handful of players on each team at best.

It is fun.
And completely meaningless.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

If he performs like he did last night I would be shocked to see in the NHL at all. He was inconsequential last night in a game where he should have dominated if he were NHL talent. If this was a knock at the door, no one is answering. Last night was a failure of epic proportions for the Flames and their prospects. Some players that were expected to perform were terrible. They have more work to do to get noticed as a result, not less. Every game like this is a statement and the statements made were not good.

A failure of epic proportions for the Flames and their prospects.
Holy hyperbole man.

Get a grip.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The games don't count, but they do matter, in terms of giving certain guys an opportunity to showcase their skills and parlay that into a spot in big camp. It's totally fair to say that the negativity is way over the top and blown out of proportion because whether a prospect looks good or bad in Penticton isn't worth getting too high or low about, but it's not nothing. It's like the WJHC, you want your team's drafted prospects to show out. I thought Coronato and Klapka did, a bit, but you'd obviously like to see more. That isn't an indictment on the system, because winning a game in this tournament does not require you to have good prospects.

The reality is that the team just doesn't have that much on defense. Etienne Morin has talent obviously, but if the other team has two borderline NHL depth guys and a couple more solid AHL calibre guys and you have nothing of the sort, your goalie is going to take it in the teeth, inevitably.

It's going to be better tonight, the Oilers have only one guy on their blue line who played any real AHL action last year and I've never heard of him.