Saddledome literally falling apart

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Locke

How is the 'Dome's Fire Insurance?

I think a flood is more believable

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by csnarpy

He was never barred. He let the negotiations do what they do and then completely supported the result. She absolutely interfered and made a mockery of her new Mayorship and its counsel.

Yikes. She was never barred.

When did she interfere?

[icarus]

It's going to ruin the mystique of the Winter Classic if every Flames home game is an outdoor one.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think a flood is more believable

Naw man...they played that card already, besides...Floods are pretty easy to prove.

Fires though? Those 'just happen.'

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Locke

Naw man...they played that card already, besides...Floods are pretty easy to prove.

Fires though? Those 'just happen.'

Concrete don’t burn so well, or maybe you’re going the ice melted angle?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Concrete don’t burn so well, or maybe you’re going the ice melted angle?

Oh concrete doesnt need to burn, you just need the ambient heat to crack it....

I have said too much.

All is well. Netting to catch falling concrete is perfectly fine.

[Redlan]

Just bought 4 more tickets to an event that bypasses Calgary…flying to Vancouver for an extended weekend. So happy the billionaire owners in Calgary don’t get the $1000+ I spent on tickets and the thousands more we will spend on overpriced accommodations, great Vancouver food, and beverages at a few local breweries ….oh that’s right…they wouldn’t anyway! It’s the city’s loss and the loss to Calgary’s restaurants, hotels and other services. World class joke.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Redlan

Just bought 4 more tickets to an event that bypasses Calgary…flying to Vancouver for an extended weekend. So happy the billionaire owners in Calgary don’t get the $1000+ I spent on tickets and the thousands more we will spend on overpriced accommodations, great Vancouver food, and beverages at a few local breweries ….oh that’s right…they wouldn’t anyway! It’s the city’s loss and the loss to Calgary’s restaurants, hotels and other services. World class joke.

Sorry, I haven't followed your posts in this thread. Is this sarcasm that the city should spend more to facilitate the Flames owners or a direct shot at Flames ownership for holding off on deals and failing to secure anything for over a decade?

I'm honestly not sure.

[Gemnoble]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Interesting that the lesson some are taking from this is that we need a new arena and not that the Saddledome should have been designed or maintained better.

There are older buildings than the Saddledome that are not falling apart.

You speak as if the 80s were known for sound, well considered, thoroughly examined decisions.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Redlan

Just bought 4 more tickets to an event that bypasses Calgary…flying to Vancouver for an extended weekend. So happy the billionaire owners in Calgary don’t get the $1000+ I spent on tickets and the thousands more we will spend on overpriced accommodations, great Vancouver food, and beverages at a few local breweries ….oh that’s right…they wouldn’t anyway! It’s the city’s loss and the loss to Calgary’s restaurants, hotels and other services. World class joke.

Hate to burst your bubble but with or without a new arena, that event wasn’t coming here anyways.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Hate to burst your bubble but with or without a new arena, that event wasn’t coming here anyways.

Well, with no facility that could handle the event you never had a chance. With a facility that could handle the event you at least force the promoter to make the conscious decision to by-pass the second largest city in western Canada and arguably the population with the greatest disposable income. A promoter who makes that call is pretty dumb. But without a building capable of hosting such events, you make the decision for them.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by nik-

You do that and Bingo does that. I mean look at this literally right here. The Flames walking away because of costs and then basically lying about the city adding to the deal, when the clause was already in the agreement is not both sides.

But you guys constantly insert the "both sides flubbed this" type language. It's totally detached from the reality of the scale of these actions. It makes no sense that any adult with a reasonable ability to gauge a situation can look at two vastly disparate actions and just say "Well, both sides". It's beyond reason.

Says something that you feel so passionately about this that I get questioned as being an adult or having diminished abilities to reason when I never actually said it was equal nor assigned % to either side.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Well, with no facility that could handle the event you never had a chance. With a facility that could handle the event you at least force the promoter to make the conscious decision to by-pass the second largest city in western Canada and arguably the population with the greatest disposable income. A promoter who makes that call is pretty dumb. But without a building capable of hosting such events, you make the decision for them.

Ooh a chance! How much is that worth to the taxpayers and the economy?

Events have previously and will continue to bypass Calgary for Vancouver. It’s been happening for years and will continue to happen. Not uncommon for even Vancouver to get skipped with TO or Mtl being the only Canadian dates for events.

But it’s good to know it’ll make that promoter think.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Ooh a chance! How much is that worth to the taxpayers and the economy?

Events have previously and will continue to bypass Calgary for Vancouver. It’s been happening for years and will continue to happen. Not uncommon for even Vancouver to get skipped with TO or Mtl being the only Canadian dates for events.

But it’s good to know it’ll make that promoter think.

“Make them decide to bypass the second largest city in Canada!”

It is funny how the Saddledome is an excuse for maybe 1-2 of the biggest, most technically difficult tours that cross Canada.

Doesn’t explain the hundreds of others that don’t use the Saddledome and still skip Calgary or the tour that hit Calgary but skip places like Winnipeg but… sure…

MOD EDIT: Removed unnecessary pot shot.

[Redlan]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Hate to burst your bubble but with or without a new arena, that event wasn’t coming here anyways.

This is truly a false statement. When the same artist is going to Ottawa and London Ontario and bypasses Calgary for Edmonton and Vancouver on a “World Tour” there is an issue with the ability to host and attract talent that will bring in thousands of tourists per event. I have had concerts in Calgary cancelled because of snow on the Saddledome would not allow setup of the equipment. This same design flaw does not allow some performers to even set up their equipment under no load conditions. Arena or event centre, build whichever or call it whatever you want, Calgary is not a World Class city if it cannot attract world class events that are booked in, what I perceive, are less desirable destinations.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Redlan

This is truly a false statement. When the same artist is going to Ottawa and London Ontario and bypasses Calgary for Edmonton and Vancouver on a “World Tour” there is an issue with the ability to host and attract talent that will bring in thousands of tourists per event. I have had concerts in Calgary cancelled because of snow on the Saddledome would not allow setup of the equipment. This same design flaw does not allow some performers to even set up their equipment under no load conditions. Arena or event centre, build whichever or call it whatever you want, Calgary is not a World Class city if it cannot attract world class events that are booked in, what I perceive, are less desirable destinations.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...owntown%20core.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Ooh a chance! How much is that worth to the taxpayers and the economy?

Events have previously and will continue to bypass Calgary for Vancouver. It’s been happening for years and will continue to happen. Not uncommon for even Vancouver to get skipped with TO or Mtl being the only Canadian dates for events.

But it’s good to know it’ll make that promoter think.

You need infrastructure to attract business. It's a fact of life. Without the required infrastructure you are not going to attract the business you hope will spurn economic development. Calgary has terrible infrastructure when it comes to sports and entertainment. Shouldn't this be target for improvement by the City? Build better facilities for people to enjoy themselves and attract better events? They pour good money after bad to build a huge convention center space. Is that a solid investment? How many nights a year is that space used and how many customers does it attract? The fact that Calgary has the worst athletic facilities is shocking, considering the legacy of being an Olympic city. Calgary doesn't even have a fieldhouse or space to hold amateur tournaments. Compare that to this:

https://bellbankpark.com/

Little Mesa, Arizona built that. Calgary has been talking about something like this for decades. Why is it that Calgary can't seem to get anything done when it comes to large scale athletic facilities? How can Calgary not replace a building that is literally falling apart, one that services a million customers a year?

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“Make them decide to bypass the second largest city in Canada!”

It is funny how the Saddledome is an excuse for maybe 1-2 of the biggest, most technically difficult tours that cross Canada.

Doesn’t explain the hundreds of others that don’t use the Saddledome and still skip Calgary or the tour that hit Calgary but skip places like Winnipeg but… sure…

It’s those dumb promoters I guess. Lanny obviously moonlights as a promoter (a smart one) when he isn’t teaching.

Would you like to stop with your infantile little jabs or do you like giving me the freedom to be the poster I promised the mods I would not go back to being. Because I can play the insult game with the best of them, but that brings little to the discussion at hand. So quit trying to use the tactic to divert attention from the fact that you have no argument.

That statement aside, how is the comment wrong? Without the required infrastructure, how do you attract business to your municipality? I get that it's a big investment, but you have to make these investments to keep your city vibrant and attractive to potential suitors.

[Enoch Root]

The "they aren't coming to Calgary" argument may come across as edgy, but it isn't useful.

If Calgary wants to be the leading city between VAN and TOR (which it is, and it does), it needs the infrastructure to do so. If it doesn't, then it doesn't.

But "they ain't coming here anyway" doesn't help anything.

[CroFlames]

What is this mystery act that skipped Calgary this time, and that wouldn't come here even if we had a new arena?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The "they aren't coming to Calgary" argument may come across as edgy, but it isn't useful.

If Calgary wants to be the leading city between VAN and TOR (which it is, and it does), it needs the infrastructure to do so. If it doesn't, then it doesn't.

But "they ain't coming here anyway" doesn't help anything.

But isn't that a significant symptom to not having the required infrastructure?