Changes coming to HNIC and Fan960?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

And these witch hunts over supposed Oiler fans in the media are getting ridiculous. I swear a broadcaster can make three positive observations about the Flames and one about the Oilers and some people around here would still lose their minds.

Really? Which Flames player has the HNIC panel been talking about during a Stanley Cup final in which the Flames are not playing?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I don't know why people #### on Ron so much. That man has done so much for hockey and HNIC as an institution.

It's the other way around as it is hockey and HNIC that s transformed a Red Deer nobody into a household name in Canada. He got his start hosting Flames broadcasts on 2&7 and used that as a springboard into HNIC host. As a person that has seen MacLean from the beginning I can admit that he was very good and it was not a surprise that he ascended from Flames broadcasts to HNIC as he got that gig because he was a really good host. However over the years at CBC his head got really, really, really big and things started becoming more about him than the HNIC telecast. His stories, his experiences as an official, his name-dropping, debates with Bettman, etc was and is all about Ron. It's time for him to go away and do podcasts, or some CBC show all about him, or work for the Oilers.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Really? Which Flames player has the HNIC player been talking about during a Stanley Cup final in which the Flames are not playing?

this is exactly it, they are doing it...STFU about McDrai during the 2nd intermission of a finals game and nobody would be saying anything

Two years in a row, last year they were swept in round one FFS and Ron complained to Gary on national TV that he was angry with officiating since they weren't there!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I don't know why people #### on Ron so much. That man has done so much for hockey and HNIC as an institution.

His strengths were on greater display prior to the SN acquisition of the NHL broadcast. He's an incredible storyteller and a great foil to bigger personalities. HNIC used to have a certain "class" to it that's been chipped away over the years, and Ron was not an insignificant part of that prestige. Once he's gone it's the final step to it just being Sporstnet.

I don't think he's the right guy to lead a panel, but that was really never his job prior to Cherry's firing.

There are two reasons I don't like him

1. He sat there and let Cherry say hateful and ignorant things for many years and did nothing about it.
2. I read his auto-biography. First time the end result of reading someone's auto-biography was that I disliked him a lot more. But that's what happened.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There are two reasons I don't like him

1. He sat there and let Cherry say hateful and ignorant things for many years and did nothing about it.
2. I read his auto-biography. First time the end result of reading someone's auto-biography was that I disliked him a lot more. But that's what happened.

It’s funny because there’s a lot of dislike for Maclean on twitter as well, mostly about the poetry. But there’s also near universal dislike for his dealings with Cherry - it’s just that some people hate that he was an enabler and other think he threw Cherry under the bus. LOL.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There are two reasons I don't like him

1. He sat there and let Cherry say hateful and ignorant things for many years and did nothing about it.
2. I read his auto-biography. First time the end result of reading someone's auto-biography was that I disliked him a lot more. But that's what happened.

What was it about his book that made you dislike him more?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s funny because there’s a lot of dislike for Maclean on twitter as well, mostly about the poetry. But there’s also near universal dislike for his dealings with Cherry - it’s just that some people hate that he was an enabler and other think he threw Cherry under the bus. LOL.

I don't necessarily see Ron and being an enabler to Cherry because it was CBC and the Producers of HNIC that were giving Don the green light to do and say whatever he wanted. Ron was basically just there to keep things moving and to make sure that Don didn't get trapped on a single idea for too long. Ron wasn't on Coaches Corner as a moderator.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I don't necessarily see Ron and being an enabler to Cherry because it was CBC and the Producers of HNIC that were giving Don the green light to do and say whatever he wanted. Ron was basically just there to keep things moving and to make sure that Don didn't get trapped on a single idea for too long. Ron wasn't on Coaches Corner as a moderator.

He was an apologist for a long time. And he was pretty involved in the content:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...y-ron-maclean/

Frankly, those two were well past their usefulness. Cherry had nothing insightful and was reduced to performative patriotism and goofy takes. I kind of regret that they were unable to have a session with Burke, who just has so much more knowledge about every aspect of modern NHL.

[curves2000]

I am not some massive Ron fan, although I did love Don Cherry and I thought Coaches Corner was excellent. I still miss it as it was great at what it was. I know a lot of things that Don discussed on the show aren't as socially acceptable in today's environment and wasn't even a few years ago.

I come from another aspect in life where I am not the type who is overly offended and triggered on other people's thoughts and opinion's. As a society we have become too soft and weak. I talk to immigrants and children of immigrants literally daily and you would be amazed how often the phrase or translated phrase "You Canadian's/ American's" have it so easy in life, or in this country or whatever. People grew up and came to Canada with serious level's of concern in life and a lot of people here have a La Dolce Vita life to them. Ironically "You people" is what got Don Cherry fired and everybody hating Ron.

For those who are easily triggered and need safe spaces in 2022, prepare yourself for when Ron MacLean is elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame, Order of Canada and other tv accolades. You aren't the host of the most watched TV program in Canada for countless years and part of TV history as the host of what I believe, to be the longest running TV program in the world. 35+ years and more without winning some major awards coming your way.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I have heard Ron and that crew talk about McDavid being "the best player to ever play" on so many occasions this past season it's almost sickening. Compared to the love they give him, they give players like Gaudreau and Tkachuk nothing.

He's one of the top talents ever undoubtedly, but to make these claims over and over on national broadcasts when he and Oilers are quite honestly a joke in terms of team accomplishments is beyond cringe. Compare him to the legends of the game all you want, but you better put the asterisk beside which indicates he's won nothing and has never been close to winning anything that actually matters. Ignoring that fact is completely bush league from any analyst or broadcaster.

It's amazing how far the pendulum has swung from the criticism/question-marks about guys like Crosby/Ovechkin being able to win it all to ignorning it completely. Though that question hasn't even been ignored for MacKinnon.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

It isn't about triggering and safe spaces. It isn't even about how he dealt with Cherry (at least to me). It is about how badly he sucks. I absolutely change the channel when he comes on, and have been doing so since at least the time of Cherry. He isn't insightful. He isn't entertaining. He is rarely coherent. He sucks.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What was it about his book that made you dislike him more?

He came across as an ego maniac who was most concerned about his own career. Which is why I also think he has been someone that held down others from getting bigger opportunities.
The book could have been titled: "It's all about Ron."

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am not some massive Ron fan, although I did love Don Cherry and I thought Coaches Corner was excellent. I still miss it as it was great at what it was. I know a lot of things that Don discussed on the show aren't as socially acceptable in today's environment and wasn't even a few years ago.

I come from another aspect in life where I am not the type who is overly offended and triggered on other people's thoughts and opinion's. As a society we have become too soft and weak. I talk to immigrants and children of immigrants literally daily and you would be amazed how often the phrase or translated phrase "You Canadian's/ American's" have it so easy in life, or in this country or whatever. People grew up and came to Canada with serious level's of concern in life and a lot of people here have a La Dolce Vita life to them. Ironically "You people" is what got Don Cherry fired and everybody hating Ron.

For those who are easily triggered and need safe spaces in 2022, prepare yourself for when Ron MacLean is elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame, Order of Canada and other tv accolades. You aren't the host of the most watched TV program in Canada for countless years and part of TV history as the host of what I believe, to be the longest running TV program in the world. 35+ years and more without winning some major awards coming your way.

Why would that trigger me?
I don't like him. But on the strength of his accomplishments he will get those awards.
Which I have no issue with.
Weird response.

[Johnny Makarov]

You can all blame Ed Whalen. He chose Jim Davies from the Calgary Sun to co-host Stampede Wrestling instead of Mclean which pissed him off to leave Calgary.

[GioforPM]

Hall of Fame as a broadcaster? Whatever - that’s a long service award basically. Order of Canada? I mean OK, so is Jack McLelland. Who is that you say? Exactly.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hall of Fame as a broadcaster? Whatever - that’s a long service award basically. Order of Canada? I mean OK, so is Jack McLelland. Who is that you say? Exactly.

Book publisher?


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[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It's amazing how far the pendulum has swung from the criticism/question-marks about guys like Crosby/Ovechkin being able to win it all to ignorning it completely. Though that question hasn't even been ignored for MacKinnon.

I would have no problem having that conversation if McDavid ever actually wins a cup or two like Ovechkin and Crosby or even carried his team to nearly winning it all like Iginla did. Until that happens (or if it happens), stop fluffing pillows and shoving "best player to ever play" down everyone's throats.

There is a long list of players who have put up several 100+ point scoring season in this league and have had FAR more team success than McDavid ever will. Unless of course the Oilers suddenly morph into a cup winning dynasty overnight. The fan boy infatuation by the panels is just intolerable when there are so many other amazing players in the league that barely get mentioned during broadcasts.

[GirlySports]

McDavid is basically Mike Gartner right now.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am not some massive Ron fan, although I did love Don Cherry and I thought Coaches Corner was excellent. I still miss it as it was great at what it was. I know a lot of things that Don discussed on the show aren't as socially acceptable in today's environment and wasn't even a few years ago.

I come from another aspect in life where I am not the type who is overly offended and triggered on other people's thoughts and opinion's. As a society we have become too soft and weak. I talk to immigrants and children of immigrants literally daily and you would be amazed how often the phrase or translated phrase "You Canadian's/ American's" have it so easy in life, or in this country or whatever. People grew up and came to Canada with serious level's of concern in life and a lot of people here have a La Dolce Vita life to them. Ironically "You people" is what got Don Cherry fired and everybody hating Ron.

For those who are easily triggered and need safe spaces in 2022, prepare yourself for when Ron MacLean is elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame, Order of Canada and other tv accolades. You aren't the host of the most watched TV program in Canada for countless years and part of TV history as the host of what I believe, to be the longest running TV program in the world. 35+ years and more without winning some major awards coming your way.

It’s self evident you are not easily triggered. I hope I didn’t interrupt watching Cosches Corner reruns on toughness & avoiding safe spaces.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It's amazing how far the pendulum has swung from the criticism/question-marks about guys like Crosby/Ovechkin being able to win it all to ignorning it completely. Though that question hasn't even been ignored for MacKinnon.

uh, nobody ever questioned Crosby's ability to win it all

he captained a team to a cup at 21 tying the NHL record for youngest captain to win it all