Kicking motion

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Didn’t they eventually admit that in 04 that the puck was probably in?

same play in 2015 Bennett and same result no

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[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Didn’t they eventually admit that in 04 that the puck was probably in?

Colin Campbell strongly alluded to it

https://www.tsn.ca/no-appetite-for-r...l-gms-1.690052

"Campbell couldn't help but recall those rare instances when a wrong call led to an unfortunate, unforgettable result. He noted the Calgary Flames dropping Game 6 of the 2004 Stanley Cup final after an apparent Martin Gelinas go-ahead goal was ruled to have not crossed the line."

"They don't forget and we don't either, so we want to try to be perfect on every call,"

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I began to distance myself emotionally from the games after the refs opened the door for the Oilers in game 2 when the Flames were taking it to them.

A parade of calls against the flow of 5 on 5 play (Flames with the body share of possession and zone time, yet end up with 6 penalties to 2).

Well said and something I noticed too. And of those 6 calls, 2 were taking Flames out of a scrum. Then Nurse wraps his stick around Toffolis neck after a goal where he's going by his own bench to celebrate, completely unnecessary, Tkachuk comes and pushes him away, 4 on 4, gee I wonder who that benefits (of course McD scores in the following 2 minutes). An instant where you can literally take one guy for starting something completely unnecessarily on a play after a goal, not a scrum in the crease and you make it 4 on 4.

I know an agenda when I see one. Knew right then and there they weren't going to let this series go how it was looking to naturally go early on. I was really disappointed to see it go that way, then resigned myself to the BS sure to follow.

The sad part is somebody should tell the league, especially after the no goal last night, that McDavid doesn't need your help, he can win the game on his own merit.

All things being equal, maybe the Flames still lose it. McDavid was unreal, but it should've been in 6 games minimum, maybe 7 (if game 2 isn't meddled with).

Agreed, hell they might have still lost last night with the way they blew leads, the Oilers played better then us and capitalized on their chances, but to make that REVERSAL, not even going with the call on the ice, and not looking at the play as a whole:

1. skate colliding with Smith
2. one foot on the ice
3. with an Oiler on his back
4. skating full speed and going hard to the net
5. skate doesn't leave the ice
6. he never swings his foot
7. the puck is going in anyway

It literally boggles my mind how they can not use common sense and follow the verbiage of their own rules. Common sense fails again.

[Red_Baron]

Originally Posted by chedder

The NHL will never admit they got a call wrong. You might has well keep waiting for Santa Claus.

The thing is, I long suspected Santa Claus was actually Mom and Dad for years and I was okay with it when I knew for sure.

Seeing with my own eyes that the league will interfere with the outcome of a playoff game to this extent, I am borderline devastated.

Might as well pump all the players full of PED's and make it obvious that the Flames are the heel of the business.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I don't think a time limit on reviews makes things any better. I want to refs and the league to make the right call. I don't know how things work in the war room but I understand there are multiple cameras and sometimes multiple feeds from different broadcasts and the different angles need to be stitched together to make the right call and I'm assuming that takes some amount of time. If they need 3 or 4 minutes to get all the evidence put together and reviewed so be it. Yes, it slows down the game but they need to make the right call. The decision making process and standards to for the call is what should be questioned and interrogated more than the length of the process.

But where do we draw the line here? I think we all accept that there will be varying degrees of missed calls/bad calls/borderline calls in every single game.

If the goal is to "get it right", then why are things so limited in what can be reviewed? 1 millimetre matters on offsides calls because the NHL says "it's either offside or it isn't. Then what about icing? What about a headbutt after the play that ends up with a 1 game suspension? Was there nobody watching a screen who could point out a very black/white dangerous play went unpenalized?

Maybe the goal should actually just be to "not get it totally wrong". Would last night's goal have been totally wrong to count? Of course not. Was Matt Duchene's offside goal that slightly expanded video review to new levels of inanity totally wrong? Yes.

All leagues struggle with video review killing the flow of the game. Only the NHL manages to kill the game while getting calls even more wrong.

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

It was an absurd call but I think they are just bad at their job rather than biased.

The NFL actually did some fixing of their replays of late where they don't overturn it unless its obvious. That should be the NHL standard for judgement calls.

AFAIK that is the standard. Until it wasn't...

[dino7c]

the broadcast thought they were looking for an offside because nobody thought that was even worthy of looking at

[dino7c]

Felt so good cancelling SN
will feel even better stealing it from now on

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Felt so good cancelling SN
will feel even better stealing it from now on

I do as well since 2020

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by icarus

Just saw this on Wikipedia as I was looking up "kick", looks like some Edmonton mouthbreather has been playing around the entry:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick

And the Oiler fanbase can't seem to figure out why everyone else thinks they are a pathetic joke...

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Felt so good cancelling SN
will feel even better stealing it from now on

I will be canceling as soon as my contract with Telus is up as well. If anyone is looking to watch hockey online I will be happy to show you where to go over email (not on CP)

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Felt so good cancelling SN
will feel even better stealing it from now on

If you are forced to steal Sportsnet, you might as well watch the other team's feed! It's better 90% of the time.

This series I just watched their Watch with Steve Dangle broadcast for free on Youtube and muted him for most of it.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Felt so good cancelling SN
will feel even better stealing it from now on

SN is unwatchable outside of Ball, and we don't really watch him.

Not sure if they ever talked about the Flames the rest of the way, I switched to ESPN, but I imagine nothing changed from the McPump show.

I was amazed at how professional the Americans were.

Just told it like it was, no dressing up. I didn't realize they did sports broadcasts like that any more after consuming garbage for years.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by CASe333

If I was a reporter my number one question is who made that call? Was it a committee?

Draft King


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[NewFan]

As I understood this rule was implemented to avoid injury that players try to kick in blue zone and cut a kick someone else. So I guess the kicking motion meant to swing a foot intentionally to kick the puck to the goal.
Last night's goal nowhere close that.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I will be canceling as soon as my contract with Telus is up as well. If anyone is looking to watch hockey online I will be happy to show you where to go over email (not on CP)

I tried to cancel and it's actually more expensive for me to reduce my cable package so now I'm more annoyed than when I started.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Why is the head of officiating talking about "deliberately" propelling the puck in when that's totally irrelevant to the call?

They're too stupid and too incompetent to administer their own rulebook.

Yep, cited the wrong test, emphasized irrelevant evidence, and failed to apply the standard of review.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I said it would be disallowed as soon as I saw the replay. He didn't kick at it but he definitely pushed his foot out to send the puck into the net. Although I hated the decision, it was the correct call.

Yet not a "distinct kicking motion". That is the rule. What you said above is considered a goal. So it was an incorrect call.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Felt so good cancelling SN
will feel even better stealing it from now on

This is the way. Between all the gamblor ads, Cabbie and Andy's stupid faces giving the odds, and Wayne the Game Greztky's botoxed face every commercial break, it's been screw SN for a while. That doesn't even take into account the blackouts that occur (it's 2022 FFS), ####ty video player and horrible interface.

Anybody who willingly gives away their hard earned cash to subscribe to any kind of SN hockey viewing products, as long as Mario Lemieux's site exists, is a ####ing idiot.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

I tried to cancel and it's actually more expensive for me to reduce my cable package so now I'm more annoyed than when I started.

Stream it either way so there won't be any ad revenue generated

[1_Flames_Fan]

Next day.... Still pissed and definitely cancelling Sportsnet. Lots of better options for sure. Jumping straight onto the Makar train until next season.