[News] Monahan on LTIR with season ending surgery. Kylington day to day. Mackey called up

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Flames could have acquired Getzlaf and Stastny both with the cap Monahan's LTIR would have freed up prior to the trade deadline. Would have been nice to add even more depth.

Yeah bad luck with the timing. That Ryan Carpenter trade looks very important now with 2 centers (Monahan, Richardson) no longer available to the team. Good thing Ruzicka also had some games up with the big club, so he can be thrown back in without a huge adjustment period.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Just don't see why people are always hunting for blame in stuff like this.

The Sutter interview made it pretty obvious, that the Flames were surprised that this injury is season ending. They didn't expect to have the imaging suggest that, and that he was basically fine until recently.

Not much smoke here people.

So was his struggle injury related?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

really? since when? Neither were traded at the deadline and I don't think Getz had any appetite to leave Anaheim.

I'm using them as examples for what the LTIR impact would have been to the cap. Not saying the Flames would have actually acquired them. Just that they would have had the cap to acquire Getzlaf ($3M) and Stastny ($3.75M).

Thought this would have been obvious? I don't own a machine capable of inter-dimensional travel.

[ricardodw]

Just a freaky season where outside of the top 6 D men with just 15 games to go there has only been 12 games played by the next up D-man.

4 from Stone and 8 from Valimaki.

It might not be a bad idea that Mackey plays 10 or 12 of the last 15 to get him playoff ready. Might not be a bad idea to get Valimaki into a few NHL games

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I think Monahan would ultimately accept a buyout. He’d be getting the majority of his money anyway and he’d now have a chance to go wherever he wanted as opposed to wherever the Flames could trade him to. It would actually be a best case scenario for him to be able to pick and choose a team that works for him and the future of his career.

I also suspect there would be some interested parties out there in a league minimum Monahan. He’s still got the hockey IQ to go out there and play with good players and maybe he’s able to find himself another Gaudreau to play with and get back to being in the top 6.

If I was him, I’d certainly welcome that opportunity. Take a small hit money-wise and bet on myself to find the right fit and get a another long term deal.

I’d like to believe it but if, while sacrificing my body for my employer, my employer asked me to take a 33% pay cut (over $2 million for Monahan) while I was unable to work plus losing my job security and the possibility to prove that I was still productive in a short career, I think I’d probably say no.

There isn’t any real upside for Mony to agree. I’m sure he is a good person but any decent agent would actively persuade him to say no.

[cannon7]

Monahan has a modified NTC, so I think it is more likely he gets traded with up to 50% retained. Flames would rather free $3.2M than the $2.1M freed with a buyout. I think a team takes a chance on him at $3.2M.

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Just don't see why people are always hunting for blame in stuff like this.

The Sutter interview made it pretty obvious, that the Flames were surprised that this injury is season ending. They didn't expect to have the imaging suggest that, and that he was basically fine until recently.

Not much smoke here people.

Don't usually disagree with your takes but this is one time that I do. Failure to disclose an injury which in the end hurts the team and results in season ending surgery is pretty selfish if not down right stupid.

Everyone on here has already said the nice things about Monahan so I won't add mine other than to say he seems like a great guy that's well liked.

This is a major fail on the Flames part. How do team doctors and trainers not know that Monahan was playing injured and why did Monahan not tell someone if that is the case? I mean as fans how often did we discuss what was up with Monahan.

I'm sorry but if the facts of the story are that Monahan has been playing injured all season and he didn't tell anyone then he is an idiot. Isn't that what Treliving stated? Why are we praising his warrior spirit if he wasn't smart enough to speak up early and get this dealt with? Now a week after the trade deadline he drops this bomb.

You pay someone upwards of 6 million, you better expect that asset to tell you if he is need of repair. Imagine what The Flames could have done with the cap space.

Even my 20 year old vehicle comes with a warning light to tell me something is wrong.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I'm using them as examples for what the LTIR impact would have been to the cap. Not saying the Flames would have actually acquired them. Just that they would have had the cap to acquire Getzlaf ($3M) and Stastny ($3.75M).

Thought this would have been obvious? I don't own a machine capable of inter-dimensional travel.

Well it's a pretty far fetched example, not to mention the assets those moves would cost the Flames.

Other teams had space and none of those guys were moved

[FlamesAddiction]

If I recall correctly, Monahan's hip issues go all the way back to junior. They are a difficult thing to overcome and often become degenerative. The fact that this time it's the other hip makes me think that maybe the one side will just never be 100% again and it forced him to compensate by putting too much wear on the other side. Is it possible that he is done in the NHL completely?

I really do feel bad for the guy because I think it is pretty obvious that injuries have derailed his career at this point.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

So was his struggle injury related?

I don't know.

But Sutter certainly didn't expect the news that came back from the scan. That was clear.

Could be he was hampered but it got worse recently. Could be he was 100% fine until the last week.

Hard to say.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I’d like to believe it but if, while sacrificing my body for my employer, my employer asked me to take a 33% pay cut (over $2 million for Monahan) while I was unable to work plus losing my job security and the possibility to prove that I was still productive in a short career, I think I’d probably say no.

There isn’t any real upside for Mony to agree. I’m sure he is a good person but any decent agent would actively persuade him to say no.

Well wouldn’t the upside be that he’s an unrestricted free agent who can choose to go anywhere now? Both locale and situation. I don’t think it’s crazy that he basically makes all the money back and then some as there will be multiple teams interested in him at a one year deal. It’s basically low risk and high reward for them. 1 year x $2M? I think he could definitely get that on the open market for sure.

What’s the alternative? Force his GM to keep him. Play in an organization that won’t want him. Continue to play on the 4th line under Sutter? Scratched, in, out, in, out. How is that going to help build his career back?

He has to think about his own happiness first and foremost IMO. He won’t be happy here and it’ll cost the Flames a big ticket winger which will make the team worse too. Lose-Lose situation for all parties.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If I recall correctly, Monahan's hip issues go all the way back to junior. They are a difficult thing to overcome and often become degenerative. The fact that this time it's the other hip makes me think that maybe the one side will just never be 100% again and it forced him to compensate by putting too much wear on the other side. Is it possible that he is done in the NHL completely?

I really do feel bad for the guy because I think it is pretty obvious that injuries have derailed his career at this point.

Wouldn’t the bigger problem be the same hip? That would effectively end his career as it clearly is not getting better. If he gets 2 “good” hips again, maybe this problem of his goes away for good and he never has hip problems again.

Whatever ends up happening though, this definitely complicates things for the GM which is not good. Monahan’s contract must go in order to sign the big ticket free agents and this situation definitely muddles things up.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Well wouldn’t the upside be that he’s an unrestricted free agent who can choose to go anywhere now? Both locale and situation. I don’t think it’s crazy that he basically makes all the money back and then some as there will be multiple teams interested in him at a one year deal. It’s basically low risk and high reward for them. 1 year x $2M? I think he could definitely get that on the open market for sure.

What’s the alternative? Force his GM to keep him. Play in an organization that won’t want him. Continue to play on the 4th line under Sutter? Scratched, in, out, in, out. How is that going to help build his career back?

He has to think about his own happiness first and foremost IMO. He won’t be happy here and it’ll cost the Flames a big ticket winger which will make the team worse too. Lose-Lose situation for all parties.

As a UFA, he’ll only be able to choose among teams that are interested in him at a price that makes sense to him and to the team. That market may not be spectacular for a guy coming off of a pair potentially career limiting surgeries and significantly declining statistics.

He knows what he has in Calgary and seems very happy here. Will any of the teams that he would like to play for be willing or able to pay for him? Or is he going to need to take a PTO to try to earn a contract with a team that he wants to play for? He’ll be a free agent after next season and, for him, he would hope to have a chance to rebuild his value as a healthy player heading into UFA status instead of the risk that a buyout has for him.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Wouldn’t the bigger problem be the same hip? That would effectively end his career as it clearly is not getting better. If he gets 2 “good” hips again, maybe this problem of his goes away for good and he never has hip problems again.

Whatever ends up happening though, this definitely complicates things for the GM which is not good. Monahan’s contract must go in order to sign the big ticket free agents and this situation definitely muddles things up.

If they are two completely separate issues and it is just a coincidence. I am obviously not a doctor, but intuitively it seems like the current hip issue might be related directly to the other hip problems on the other side. If that is the case, it would be a sign that it isn't getting better.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

He is injured.

Because he's a Flame he's injured? But what if he played for the Golden Knights?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

As a UFA, he’ll only be able to choose among teams that are interested in him at a price that makes sense to him and to the team. That market may not be spectacular for a guy coming off of a pair potentially career limiting surgeries and significantly declining statistics.

He knows what he has in Calgary and seems very happy here. Will any of the teams that he would like to play for be willing or able to pay for him? Or is he going to need to take a PTO to try to earn a contract with a team that he wants to play for? He’ll be a free agent after next season and, for him, he would hope to have a chance to rebuild his value as a healthy player heading into UFA status instead of the risk that a buyout has for him.

But he knows what’s likely to come next season under Sutter which is basically the very bottom. I don’t think he’ll want to play on a deeper lineup where he’s going to constantly be in and out of the line up. That can’t be fun for a player who use to be one 1st line only a couple seasons ago.

I really don’t think he’s a PTO guy yet. That may come if he ends up failing under a different organization. But who knows, maybe he hits it off with a Keller, or a Voracek or whoever. I think teams will take a 1 year, low risk gamble. They’re all seeing what Sam Bennett is doing with Florida right now.

I don’t know, it could go either way. All I know is, if I’m in his shoes and I have already earned $40M+ over my career, I’m sacrificing that relatively minuscule amount of money for the chance to revive my career in a place that will want me and will actually use me. I bet Monahan will have that sense of pride and I bet his agent will look at exploring that avenue as well for the chance at a bigger pay off down the road.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If they are two completely separate issues and it is just a coincidence. I am obviously not a doctor, but intuitively it seems like the current hip issue might be related directly to the other hip problems on the other side. If that is the case, it would be a sign that it isn't getting better.

Possibly, I’m no doctor myself and maybe there is a bit of over-compensating, but who really knows. But in my opinion, if the injury was to the same hip, I’d be more concerned. That’s just my initial impression though without any additional information or research.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Pretty frustrating that this happened now and not before the trade deadline. $6.5M in cap freed up would have really come in handy.

If Monahan was playing hurt, when was he healthy? At the start of the season he was saying he was as healthy as he's been in years.

I think Monahan gets traded with cap retained or bought out this summer.

More of a chance he stays on LTIR for a year, comes back next spring just in time for the teams 2nd strait cup

[Flamesfan05]

Monahan should be ready to start next year

Question is what’s the Flames going to do?

1) Trust that this season was a fluke and his struggle was due to injury and give him another chance
2) Buy him out if they can’t trade him

The answer is simple to me

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

More of a chance he stays on LTIR for a year, comes back next spring just in time for the teams 2nd strait cup

That would be perfect but I doubt Monahan would go for that