[Rumour] DeBrusk has asked for a trade. Kypreos: Flames are among teams interested

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I asked how was $1.5M possible. You said it was done before without showing the math. It wasn’t very helpful, and actually incorrect.


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Jeebus. You weren’t clear on what you were asking, and I wasn’t the only one who thought you were asking about double retention.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Dx54

I would just stay away from Kane, like forever.

What if the trade was two firsts and Kane for Zadorov and Pitlick? In other words, is your “forever” absolute or relative?

Not to say that I disagree with you. I would hate to see Evander Kane in the flaming C, it would be a disgrace to the uniform.

[Vinny01]

Debrusk for Strome makes a lot of sense

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

You guys are hilarious.

Toffoli and Monahan were junior teammates for what its worth.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Toffoli and Monahan were junior teammates for what its worth.

Indeed! Back when Monahan was seen as more of a distributing 2 way centre. Perhaps that path is still available for his development.

[GioforPM]

I still don't think Montreal would want to trade away Toffoli. But they might be interested in Monahan to reunite the two. Their centre depth is terrible.

ETA: Montreal would have to dump cap so it's a tough trade.

[Heavy Jack]

Maybe something around Josh Anderson who Treliving was reported to be in on (along with anyone who’s reportedly available lol)

I’d still prefer Toffoli but would understand why Montreal would be wary of trading him. Maybe we could draw up something around a Monahan/Anderson swap?? JA’s contract is downright scary from a length perspective but he would be a big bodied RH shooting right wing and the annual cap hit is lower than Monahan by near a mill.

Not sure who would have to add but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t consider a 1 for 1 JA for Monahan swap.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Anderson
Coleman - Dube - Pitlick
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis

Still an opportunity at that point to look for a way to boost the 3rd line RW.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Maybe something around Josh Anderson who Treliving was reported to be in on (along with anyone who’s reportedly available lol)

I’d still prefer Toffoli but would understand why Montreal would be wary of trading him. Maybe we could draw up something around a Monahan/Anderson swap?? JA’s contract is downright scary from a length perspective but he would be a big bodied RH shooting right wing and the annual cap hit is lower than Monahan by near a mill.

Not sure who would have to add but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t consider a 1 for 1 JA for Monahan swap.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Anderson
Coleman - Dube - Pitlick
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis

Still an opportunity at that point to look for a way to boost the 3rd line RW.

The dollars make sense more or less. The big issue with Anderson is his MNTC.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Maybe something around Josh Anderson who Treliving was reported to be in on (along with anyone who’s reportedly available lol)

I’d still prefer Toffoli but would understand why Montreal would be wary of trading him. Maybe we could draw up something around a Monahan/Anderson swap?? JA’s contract is downright scary from a length perspective but he would be a big bodied RH shooting right wing and the annual cap hit is lower than Monahan by near a mill.

Not sure who would have to add but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t consider a 1 for 1 JA for Monahan swap.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Anderson
Coleman - Dube - Pitlick
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis

Still an opportunity at that point to look for a way to boost the 3rd line RW.

Absolutely No to Anderson. His contract would crush our cap structure forever. Plus he's not even proven to be better than Monahan.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The dollars make sense more or less. The big issue with Anderson is his MNTC.

Pretty sure he’d waive to almost anywhere with the way things have gone in Montreal. I also get Monahammer’s reservations with Anderson who after a really hot start last year cooled right down and had a mediocre performance in a long playoff run. Still though I can’t help but think Sutter would be the right guy to help Josh put his skill set together.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Maybe something around Josh Anderson who Treliving was reported to be in on (along with anyone who’s reportedly available lol)

I’d still prefer Toffoli but would understand why Montreal would be wary of trading him. Maybe we could draw up something around a Monahan/Anderson swap?? JA’s contract is downright scary from a length perspective but he would be a big bodied RH shooting right wing and the annual cap hit is lower than Monahan by near a mill.

Not sure who would have to add but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t consider a 1 for 1 JA for Monahan swap.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Anderson
Coleman - Dube - Pitlick
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis

Still an opportunity at that point to look for a way to boost the 3rd line RW.

I would be all over a trade like that (as the Flames), although I would have the resulting lines:

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Lucic - Dube - Anderson
Lewis - Richardson - Pitlick

[Heavy Jack]

Lucic - Dube - Anderson

Defencemen would have sore necks from all the shoulder checks heading into the corners lol

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Absolutely No to Anderson. His contract would crush our cap structure forever. Plus he's not even proven to be better than Monahan.

7 goals, 13 points this year, 24 points in 52 games last year, seems to be as good as Monnie doing now, albeit in different roles this year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Pretty sure he’d waive to almost anywhere with the way things have gone in Montreal. I also get Monahammer’s reservations with Anderson who after a really hot start last year cooled right down and had a mediocre performance in a long playoff run. Still though I can’t help but think Sutter would be the right guy to help Josh put his skill set together.

It's an 8 team no trade list, so you can make your guesses anyway.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

7 goals, 13 points this year, 24 points in 52 games last year, seems to be as good as Monnie doing now, albeit in different roles this year.

So Andersons best years are the same as Monahan's worst ever season? While Monahan gives better defense according to advanced stats?

Same age.

Anderson has a far worse contract.

No appeal at all IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

So Andersons best years are the same as Monahan's worst ever season? While Monahan gives better defense according to advanced stats?

Same age.

Anderson has a far worse contract.

No appeal at all IMO.

Anderson seems to be a player generally on the rise though, while Monnie less so. And Anderson fills a positional need. Defensively, I think Sutter can do for him what he's done for Monahan.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Anderson seems to be a player generally on the rise though, while Monnie less so.

What makes you say that? In Anderson, I see an overpaid, often injured player who has never hit the potential that has only been glimpsed, while being given multiple chances to do so.

In Monahan, you have a player that saw incredible success early, blowing away expectations even, then slowing down due to injuries. But, allegedly is the most healthy he has been in 2 seasons, and is now showing better underlying numbers while toiling away with 4th liners. Never had a second chance like Anderson to show what he could be in a different situation too.

I stick with Monahan 10/10. Contract makes it a no brainer.

[Heavy Jack]

I’m with Gio; JA doesn’t have the same injury woes as Monahan but does have injury history so it makes the trade more palatable for both sides, is a player who is on the rise versus on a decline and the biggest thing is he would fill a positional need. If it could be done as a 1 for 1 I’d be happy to see the trigger pulled by Treliving. Still allows the Flames to boost the middle six at the deadline and would add even more size into an already heavy lineup.

[Monahammer]

74 31 33 64 3 24 9 19 0 0 11 3 202 15.35
78 34 48 82 7 12 12 23 0 0 5 0 211 16.11
70 22 26 48 -16 25 8 16 0 0 5 1 166 13.3
50 10 18 28 -6 10 4 9 0 0 5 0 98 10.2
22 2 8 10 -6 4 2 8 0 0 2 0 31 6.5

63 19 11 30 -1 42 1 4 0 0 5 2 188 10.11
82 27 20 47 25 60 3 7 2 3 5 0 230 11.74
26 1 3 4 -8 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 63 1.6
52 17 7 24 -10 38 1 2 1 1 5 0 125 13.6
24 7 6 13 -11 16 0 1 0 0 1 0 65 10.8

Last 5 seasons, no names. Obviously you take the top player right?

[Monahammer]

Anderson is also playing 3 minutes more per night right now than Monahan. If they played the same amount Monahan would have more points. If Monahan was shooting his career average, or even his lowest average before this year, he'd have another goal or two.

Y'all just have Monahan hate goggles on. Trading him for Anderson has always been a terrible idea.

Anderson is older than Monahan by 200 days.

Anderson had a major shoulder injury. Another big check could reaggravate this injury. could limit his playstyle as he moves into his 30s.