[PGT] Sabres 0 Flames 5, 3 points for Johnny, Markstrom with a shutout

[DeluxeMoustache]

Didn’t someone say 6 shutouts in the first 17 games is the best in the modern day NHL and best since Chicago 1938-39?

[Strange Brew]

^ Yeah I heard that on the radio. Quite the accomplishment.

[cannon7]

Looked it up, the Flames are on pace for 29 shutouts. The NHL record is George Hainsworth with 22 shutouts in a single season. Markstrom is on pace for 22 of those 29 shutouts.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its funny because I don't think that the Hainsworth record is ever going to be broken, and mainly because while Hainsworth was a great goalie. The game was completely different.



In a 44 game season he got 22 shutouts and the Habs won 22 game and tied 15. They scored 71 goals and allowed 43. But I don't think that there were stretch passes, all defensemen pretty much stayed at their own blueline etc.



I really do think that records like that need to be revisited.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He is fine if all you expect from a 6.5M center is some PP time and a filler on the bottom line. Truth is there is no sign of returning to form.

Yeah, I don't see him ever returning to top form, I've been saying that for a while now, but what point does it serve to keep crying about it?

Injuries happen and sometimes the negative effects are permanent.

All the team can do is find a role the player can still be useful in while he's still under contract, and all the player can do is try to fill that role as good as he can. That's my expectation.

Given that expectation, Monahan is doing fine, IMO. I even think it's possible he'll return to something closer to top form. I don't see him hitting his record of 34 goals ever again, but if we can get 50+ points out of him, that's not nothing, and that's looking like a very realistic hope.

He's 6th in points out while being 3rd best paid, on pace for 40+ points and the team is doing well, so the overall situation is far from terrible. It's obviously also very far from optimal, but we're not going to get peak Monahan back by whining about it.

Let's just accept what has happened and move on.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Itse

Yeah, I don't see him ever returning to top form, I've been saying that for a while now, but what point does it serve to keep crying about it?

Injuries happen and sometimes the negative effects are permanent.

All the team can do is find a role the player can still be useful in while he's still under contract, and all the player can do is try to fill that role as good as he can. That's my expectation.

Given that expectation, Monahan is doing fine, IMO. I even think it's possible he'll return to something closer to top form. I don't see him hitting his record of 34 goals ever again, but if we can get 50+ points out of him, that's not nothing, and that's looking like a very realistic hope.

He's 6th in points out while being 3rd best paid, on pace for 40+ points and the team is doing well, so the overall situation is far from terrible. It's obviously also very far from optimal, but we're not going to get peak Monahan back by whining about it.

Let's just accept what has happened and move on.

Yes - and its not like he's so bad that we'd be dressing guys like Richardson or random guy X from the minors over him. He is what he is at this point.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Itse

Yeah, I don't see him ever returning to top form, I've been saying that for a while now, but what point does it serve to keep crying about it?

Injuries happen and sometimes the negative effects are permanent.

All the team can do is find a role the player can still be useful in while he's still under contract, and all the player can do is try to fill that role as good as he can. That's my expectation.

Given that expectation, Monahan is doing fine, IMO. I even think it's possible he'll return to something closer to top form. I don't see him hitting his record of 34 goals ever again, but if we can get 50+ points out of him, that's not nothing, and that's looking like a very realistic hope.

He's 6th in points out while being 3rd best paid, on pace for 40+ points and the team is doing well, so the overall situation is far from terrible. It's obviously also very far from optimal, but we're not going to get peak Monahan back by whining about it.

Let's just accept what has happened and move on.

It kind of reminds me of how Sutter handled Dustin Brown in LA for a time. He adjusted his use and Brown found his new role. Obviously Monahan is a different player but Sutter has a knack for pushing the right buttons with players to give everyone a role on a winning team.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Itse

Yeah, I don't see him ever returning to top form, I've been saying that for a while now, but what point does it serve to keep crying about it?

Injuries happen and sometimes the negative effects are permanent.

All the team can do is find a role the player can still be useful in while he's still under contract, and all the player can do is try to fill that role as good as he can. That's my expectation.

Given that expectation, Monahan is doing fine, IMO. I even think it's possible he'll return to something closer to top form. I don't see him hitting his record of 34 goals ever again, but if we can get 50+ points out of him, that's not nothing, and that's looking like a very realistic hope.

He's 6th in points out while being 3rd best paid, on pace for 40+ points and the team is doing well, so the overall situation is far from terrible. It's obviously also very far from optimal, but we're not going to get peak Monahan back by whining about it.

Let's just accept what has happened and move on.

And he’s third in salary because Lindholm is on a bargain deal and Mangiapane is on his last year of a show me contract (and because Gio is gone). The fact that other guys are under what they would make as a UFA isn’t a bad thing.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by jg13

Kylington = 12 pts in his last 12 games NONE of this on the powerplay.

This guy is incredible

Leads all NHL dmen in even strength points and doing it with 0 games with 20 mins ice time. Letang and Kylington lead NHL dmen with 0.75 even strength PPG but Letang gets 10 more mons ice time per game.

We need more Oliver Kylington!

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Leads all NHL dmen in even strength points and doing it with 0 games with 20 mins ice time. Letang and Kylington lead NHL dmen with 0.75 even strength PPG but Letang gets 10 more mons ice time per game.

We need more Oliver Kylington!

Also worth considering that additional ice time may reduce his effectiveness as well. I’m sure Sutter has the best pulse on conditioning levels etc, but typically if a defensemen is playing 25 plus minutes a game, there is some level of “conserving” going on during the players shifts etc.

I think Kylington’s lower minutes allow him to go all out on his shifts, making best use of his incredible skating ability

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Also worth considering that additional ice time may reduce his effectiveness as well. I’m sure Sutter has the best pulse on conditioning levels etc, but typically if a defensemen is playing 25 plus minutes a game, there is some level of “conserving” going on during the players shifts etc.

I think Kylington’s lower minutes allow him to go all out on his shifts, making best use of his incredible skating ability

Some of the additional ice time other dmen are getting is on the PP which typically isn't hard minutes to play.

I agree that 26 mins a game isn't the right move yet but 16 mins a game is very low and 0 games at 20 mins is crazy how good he is playing. He should be getting at least 20 mins every night

[calumniate]

There's no 'I' in team.. but there's one in Kylington

Probably FATA:
https://www.tsn.ca/salim-valji-olive...-now-1.1721887

[Locke]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Lol at this guy:



This was from the highlights after the 3-0 goal by Tkachuk:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1461541659699646465

I feel that being a Sabres fan is something that should have been disclosed prior to marriage and should be legal grounds for divorce.

Originally Posted by Macman

A few game photos from NHL.com



Good win!

Well....Tokarski has his eyes closed....thats his problem right there. I'm no fancy 'Big City Goalie Coach' or nuthin' but I'm pretty sure Rule #1 is:

"Keep your eyes open...and preferably on the puck."

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Some of the additional ice time other dmen are getting is on the PP which typically isn't hard minutes to play.

I agree that 26 mins a game isn't the right move yet but 16 mins a game is very low and 0 games at 20 mins is crazy how good he is playing. He should be getting at least 20 mins every night

Agreed. He’s been incredible. I think the next step as you mention is the addition of PP time. He’s earned it. 20 min sounds about right.

My thinking on why it hasn’t happened yet. The Flames are in the middle of a 7 game road trip, tight schedule too, and I can only imagine have not had a huge amount of practice time lately. Might just be a case of the coaches wanting to get Oliver some extended PP Practice with one of the groups

[GioforPM]

That shot does sure make Tokarski look bad. He’s not a big goalie and he sure lets the top of the net go. Johnny must have done a hell of a head fake or something.

ETA: the pic of Kylington and Okposo is cool, a couple generations of black NHLers.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Itse

Yeah, I don't see him ever returning to top form, I've been saying that for a while now, but what point does it serve to keep crying about it?

Injuries happen and sometimes the negative effects are permanent.

All the team can do is find a role the player can still be useful in while he's still under contract, and all the player can do is try to fill that role as good as he can. That's my expectation.

Given that expectation, Monahan is doing fine, IMO. I even think it's possible he'll return to something closer to top form. I don't see him hitting his record of 34 goals ever again, but if we can get 50+ points out of him, that's not nothing, and that's looking like a very realistic hope.

He's 6th in points out while being 3rd best paid, on pace for 40+ points and the team is doing well, so the overall situation is far from terrible. It's obviously also very far from optimal, but we're not going to get peak Monahan back by whining about it.

Let's just accept what has happened and move on.

All this is fine, but to me part of the frustration is the insistence that Monahan still play the centre position. It cannibalizes our speed down the middle because even as a 3C Monahan isn't really bringing a lot 5v5 that the most vanilla of centres straight out of the AHL can't bring.

If Monahan isn't going to be an impact centre, move him to the wing. We've already seen Dube look solid down the middle (observe his game-to-game trends before you paint him with the brush of his first couple of games at the position) so we're just putting a glass ceiling on the team's success by pidgeonholing both guys at the opposite positions... not unlike when Lindholm, Backlund, and other past forwards were forced to be Monahan's wingers, when the skillsets they too possess(ed) are far better-suited to the middle than Monahan.

Move Monahan to the wing, and let him take some offensive zone faceoffs if you want, but don't ask him to play low and be a shutdown guy or to carry the puck in transition. Let him play along the boards in the D zone and allow Dube to grow into someone who uses the extra open ice and support his defensemen down low, support his wingers, and drive transition. It might even give you a chance to put Monahan on Backlund's line in a shutdown role - because Monahan is a solid defensive player when not asked to cover large amounts of space not unlike Matthew Tkachuk, Milan Lucic or even Mark Stone.

[HighLifeMan]

Monahan has 9 points in his last 12 games and is trailing only Blake Coleman in terms of negating high danger chances against per 60 minutes. He is playing very low event hockey at even strength and is contributing on the PP. He's doing exactly what is being asked of him... Leave the guy alone. Trevor Lewis remains his most commonly used linemate through 17 games at even strength this season.. Keep that in mind.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Man the Sutter pressers never get old. "Same performance as the other night just buried our chances" etc etc

What's great about Darryl is he is so even keel and fair. He never is effusive with praise but gives honest credit when it's deserved, Marky got a shutout but Daryl simply says he did his job, compliments on him being a leader and thats he is important. Just measured and consistent, always.

I think the underlying part of this is that Darryl cares about only his players and his team and doesn't give a crap about anything else. I'm sure he praises as needed in the room, but he rarely does it publicly because it's not about the player for him...it's about the gestalt and the whole team's performance. If one guy is great but the Flames lose, he won't be happy. If all players "do their job" and Flames get a W...that's what "impresses him" (love that GIF!).

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Yeah, that was definitely their worst night, but it was also the night Valimaki-Gudbranson was the second D pair, Andersson-Tanev was the first D pair, and Kylington-Stone was the third D pair, and all three pairs were just a little discombobulated.

In Sutterland, there is no first, second, third, fourth lines...or first, second, third D-pairs. He reminds the media of that all the time.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Itse

Yeah, I don't see him ever returning to top form, I've been saying that for a while now, but what point does it serve to keep crying about it?

Injuries happen and sometimes the negative effects are permanent.

All the team can do is find a role the player can still be useful in while he's still under contract, and all the player can do is try to fill that role as good as he can. That's my expectation.

Given that expectation, Monahan is doing fine, IMO. I even think it's possible he'll return to something closer to top form. I don't see him hitting his record of 34 goals ever again, but if we can get 50+ points out of him, that's not nothing, and that's looking like a very realistic hope.

He's 6th in points out while being 3rd best paid, on pace for 40+ points and the team is doing well, so the overall situation is far from terrible. It's obviously also very far from optimal, but we're not going to get peak Monahan back by whining about it.

Let's just accept what has happened and move on.

hard not to think of this song after reading your post.

Spoiler!