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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Let's protect the Healthcare system by firing everyone who refuses to get jabbed. These are trained medical professionals losing their jobs because they don't trust that the medical science has been thoroughly proven .

If you get cancer, are you going to go to the doctor who trusts the science behind cancer treatment? Or the doctor who doesn't and recommends herbal teas and rest to fight that big bad tumour?

Because I promise you, you can find both. Just because someone is a doctor, or a nurse, or works the desk at the hospital, does not mean they're smart.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Let's protect the Healthcare system by firing everyone who refuses to get jabbed.These are trained medical professionals losing their jobs because they don't trust that the medical science has been thoroughly proven .

Hey look at that, we agree on something.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

A simple question for all the folks in hear that can't stand freedom.

Would you support a mandate that required everyone to have a QR code tattoo'd to their forehead so that computers and cameras in public spaces can automatically scan and check your vaccine status?

Why or why not?

Don't you already have a barcode tattood on your neck?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

You didn't answer the question . Its almost like equating 2 vaguely similar ideas is ridiculous. Eg: drivers license = vaxport.

Thanks for playing.

I did answer the question.

And I'm sorry, I can't handhold someone enough to make them see that the difference between ID you show at the door and a tattoo on their forehead is wildly more different than ID you show at the door and ID you show at the door.

Use your brain. It's the thing behind the forehead. You know, where the QR code would go.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Coach

I wonder how those who think others "can't stand freedom" would feel about someone standing on the public sidewalk directly outside their home playing Rick Astley over and over at a reasonable volume, within the hours of noise bylaws of course, every day. For months, even years, on end. Not harassing anyone coming or going, or even speaking to anyone, or looking inside the house. Just standing, perfectly still, staring out into the public road, "never gonna give you up", 7-11, every time you open your door. Not on your property or violating any laws though...so you know....freedom. No complaints?

I would feel annoyed but proud lol

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Don't you already have a barcode tattood on your neck?

hmm are you trying to stereotype me? I don't have any tattoos, would it matter if I did? Weird take.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you get cancer, are you going to go to the doctor who trusts the science behind cancer treatment? Or the doctor who doesn't and recommends herbal teas and rest to fight that big bad tumour?

Because I promise you, you can find both. Just because someone is a doctor, or a nurse, or works the desk at the hospital, does not mean they're smart.

depends on the cancer. I personally know more than a few people that have had Cancer and recovered using either western medicine or less conventional health recommendations. Some used both. I would probably go for both.


But again thats a crappy false equivalency

[burn_this_city]

On Remembrance Day its particularly galling to see this garbage. You aren't a freedom fighter, just another coward who won't take a minor risk for the betterment of society. Draft dodger from a different era.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you get cancer, are you going to go to the doctor who trusts the science behind cancer treatment? Or the doctor who doesn't and recommends herbal teas and rest to fight that big bad tumour?

Because I promise you, you can find both. Just because someone is a doctor, or a nurse, or works the desk at the hospital, does not mean they're smart.

here's a better example. Should all young girls be forced to get HPV immunizations before being allowed to have sexual relations? HPV can cause cervical cancer so if they don't get immunized they are putting a strain on the Healthcare system through personal choice.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

On Remembrance Day its particularly galling to see this garbage. You aren't a freedom fighter, just another coward who won't take a minor risk for the betterment of society. Draft dodger from a different era.

Draft dodgers were welcomed here with welcome arms, what are you on? My grandfather came here after being drafted to go fighting the pointless Vietnam War. He was a priest and it went against his values. Getting drafted is a "minor risk?" Another false equivalency ....lemme help you out, there are no good comparable to covid vaccine mandates because nothing like this has happened.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

here's a better example. Should all young girls be forced to get HPV immunizations before being allowed to have sexual relations? HPV can cause cervical cancer so if they don't get immunized they are putting a strain on the Healthcare system through personal choice.

Again a terrible example. You’re as bad at this as the people you’re calling out.

There is a choice to engage in the action that leads to the disease. A decision between two parties. That isn’t what is happening here. Also I haven’t heard of a single healthcare system in the world being overrun with cervical cancer, and redirecting resources to fight it.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Again a terrible example. You’re as bad at this as the people you’re calling out.

There is a choice to engage in the action that leads to the disease. A decision between two parties. That isn’t what is happening here. Also I haven’t heard of a single healthcare system in the world being overrun with cervical cancer, and redirecting resources to fight it.

Still more equivalent than vaccine vs cancer treatment or vaccine vs drivers license. At least it is vaccine vs vaccine .

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Still more equivalent than vaccine vs cancer treatment or vaccine vs drivers license. At least it is vaccine vs vaccine .

Rules in place to protect the population as a whole. This shouldn’t be a hard concept to understand. They exist, currently. For all of the spaces you claim are “free to use”. They aren’t.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

A simple question for all the folks in hear that can't stand freedom.

It should have been obvious to everyone the conversation was over after this sentence as there really is no potential for a serious discussion after it was posted.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

A simple question for all the folks in hear that can't stand freedom.

Would you support a mandate that required everyone to have a QR code tattoo'd to their forehead so that computers and cameras in public spaces can automatically scan and check your vaccine status?

Why or why not?

What problem would that solve?

You need to understand, most people are reasonable and not ideological. You're coming at this from an ideological angle (if x is OK then why isn't y?). But most people don't think that way and look at things on a case-by-case basis. If a rule has obvious utility, people generally support it. So people are OK with requiring vaccination in certain situations during a pandemic, but they're not OK with tattooing things on peoples' foreheads (which has no public utility) or (somehow) forcing women to get vaccinated against a non-contagious disease before engaging in sexual activity. If you think these are equivalent scenarios, then that's your problem, because almost everyone else understands the clear differences.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

I love these threads as it allows me to "do my own research" on who to put on my ignore list.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

here's a better example. Should all young girls be forced to get HPV immunizations before being allowed to have sexual relations? HPV can cause cervical cancer so if they don't get immunized they are putting a strain on the Healthcare system through personal choice.

HPV is on the recommended schedule in Canada for both boys and girls (it doesn't just impact girls, you should read up on it). A better comparison would have actually been something like measles or polio, which are contagious in public settings, and which are legally required to attend school in places like Ontario (something I do support).

The difference between HPV and COVID is that one is spread through sexual contact and the other is spread through the air. That's why protection from COVID is required to enter some public spaces. You're not going to catch HPV having a beer at the bar, but you might very well catch COVID.

All that said, once again, your hypothetical doesn't show a whole lot of understanding of the situation or what any of these things actually are. A COVID vaccine is not required for you to have sex, or buy food, or exercise, or find any employment, or provide yourself with shelter, etc. etc. It in no way restricts you from doing anything you choose to do, your options are just (slightly) limited. You can go to the grocery store and order takeout, but you can't sit at a table in a restaurant. Yet, you're suggesting that this is similar to stopping women from having sex. This is pretty ridiculous.

Going back to legally required vaccinations to engage in public activities. Do you support Ontario's legally required vaccines to attend public school? You love freedom right, so I assume you've been fighting the good fight against those for years, right? You don't happen to just suddenly have fallen in love with "freedom" because you need to show a QR code to get into Cowboys, have you?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you get cancer, are you going to go to the doctor who trusts the science behind cancer treatment? Or the doctor who doesn't and recommends herbal teas and rest to fight that big bad tumour?

Because I promise you, you can find both. Just because someone is a doctor, or a nurse, or works the desk at the hospital, does not mean they're smart.

And the few nurses and even fewer doctors who are refusing are a tiny fraction of the overall numbers of medical professionals who support mandates, especially in hospitals. They get vastly outsized coverage compared to their numbers.

[You Need a Thneed]

Not sure if this has been posted yet:

https://twitter.com/jimmykimmel/stat...317194754?s=21

[GioforPM]

CeeDee Lamb got a $20K fine for an untucked shirt last week. Rodgers' fine was $14K.