2022 Blue Jays Off-Season Thread - Page 10 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Jason14h · 11-30-2021, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Skaloper

Very interesting to see that the Jays wanted to ensure they got one of Gausman or Ray. Offered them the same deal but when it came down to it Ray was going to initially wait until the new collective bargaining agreement but later changed his mind while Gausman made it clear he was not going to wait.

As a Jays fan it would have been nice to see Ray return but I really think they made the right decision ensuring they got Gausman.

I tend to think this was always the plan to let Ray walk

Trade two prospects for Berriois and resign for just money
Sign Gausman for just money
Get 2 draft picks back for leaving FAs

Basically recoup Berrios assets (kind of) and still end up with 2 long term signed pitchers

GreenLantern2814 · 11-30-2021, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Jon Morosi tweeting that the Mariners and Jays are the perceived favorites for Kris Bryant. Interesting.

I've wanted Bryant since the summer - you can't have a nobody on the hot corner, where you can get away with a light-hitting defensive witch at 2B.

Cheese · 11-30-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I've wanted Bryant since the summer - you can't have a nobody on the hot corner, where you can get away with a light-hitting defensive witch at 2B.

Chris Taylor as well.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb...141318504.html

bluejays · 11-30-2021, 04:32 PM

I'm personally not too keen on upgrading at 3rd. I still want to spend on a SP and a reliever or two. Positionally, I think the biggest question mark is at Catcher, though much of my trepidation was gone as Jansen turned it on fully at the end of the year. I just hope he can be consistent. I wanted Realmuto last year over anyone else, and he didn't disappoint in Philly this past season. But yeah, spend a bit more on SP and RP to get a couple consistent arms with swagger. Joe Kelly still comes to mind as a guy who will piss off other teams (good or bad) as a reliever.

GreenLantern2814 · 11-30-2021, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fleury

I'm personally not too keen on upgrading at 3rd. I still want to spend on a SP and a reliever or two. Positionally, I think the biggest question mark is at Catcher, though much of my trepidation was gone as Jansen turned it on fully at the end of the year. I just hope he can be consistent. I wanted Realmuto last year over anyone else, and he didn't disappoint in Philly this past season. But yeah, spend a bit more on SP and RP to get a couple consistent arms with swagger. Joe Kelly still comes to mind as a guy who will piss off other teams (good or bad) as a reliever.

Berrios
Manoah
Gausman
Ryu
X

I don’t think they can justify another big $ arm who will at best be the 4th starter, depending on how Ryu rebounds with a full off season to adjust to a lack of sticky stuff - everyone but Manoah is making $20M+.

I agree Jansen needs to be upgraded - they may be Hoping they can get by with Kirk and Moreno. I’ve never Understood what they see in Jansen. He can’t hit, I rarely saw him do anything noteworthy defensively (stats may say otherwise), so I guess he calls a good game? I don’t know.

Kirk needs to lose 15-20 lbs to me, if he wants to be an everyday player.

Relievers seem like the last group to ever overpay for - decent veterans are always available mid season, and their consistency year to year is always all over the map.

flamingred89 · 11-30-2021, 05:12 PM

The funny thing with Jansen is after he came back from his injury he balled out. He finished with a 106OPS+ and 1.3bWAR. And that's with possibly the worst start to a season I think I've ever seen. Didn't he only have like 2 hits in his first 50 AB's?

He's got a ton of potential still and I think that's why the Jays are sticking with him. Also because the catching talent pool is horrendous in the MLB right now. Pedro Severino was like the big fish for catchers this offseason. Woof.

Roof-Daddy · 11-30-2021, 05:18 PM

Carlos Rodon would be the perfect guy to round out the rotation IMO

Huge upside but an injury history is probably keeping him from landing one of these massive contracts with term.

ben voyonsdonc · 11-30-2021, 05:43 PM

I’m sure the team really hopes that Pearson can slot himself into the rotation. He hasn’t exactly shown himself to be capable of holding that role and a team looking to compete for a World Series can’t leave big holes in their rotation.

KelVarnsen · 11-30-2021, 06:29 PM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1465847517128577025

Guess Thornton got tendered...

DoubleK · 11-30-2021, 06:50 PM

Joe Kelly is still available.... Just sayin.

His days as a starter are behind him but he can still be effective out of the bullpen. His GAF meter is really high and is a mean SOB on the mound.

flames_fan_down_under · 11-30-2021, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

https://twitter.com/user/status/1465847517128577025

Guess Thornton got tendered...

disappointing

bluejays · 11-30-2021, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

Joe Kelly is still available.... Just sayin.

His days as a starter are behind him but he can still be effective out of the bullpen. His GAF meter is really high and is a mean SOB on the mound.

Yeah, that GAF would work so well with the Dominican Jays. I think it would work wonders confidence wise with guys like Pearson as well, just to not give a damn. I get the feeling Kelly's been an all American kinda guy, so I'm not sure his inclination to come here, but I wouldn't be shocked if the usual players are after him.

bluejays · 11-30-2021, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I’m sure the team really hopes that Pearson can slot himself into the rotation. He hasn’t exactly shown himself to be capable of holding that role and a team looking to compete for a World Series can’t leave big holes in their rotation.

Pearson is the perfect guy to platoon with a vet. I have a bad feeling with Ryu, almost as if his fall off is because of an injury. If Pearson and him can split time that would be good. I still think a good #3 would be nice @ ~$14M.

Parallex · 11-30-2021, 10:36 PM

Pretty sure the rotation is done (and it looks pretty damn good). Gotta get a bat for the infield (3B preferably... I didn't like Biggio there last season).

Roof-Daddy · 12-01-2021, 10:36 AM

Yeah, you look at the rotation and see a massive drop off after #4, and even Ryu was terrible in the 2nd half last year.

But still, on paper that rotation looks about as good as any Jays rotation n the last 20 years. Even the 2015 and 2016 rotations that made the playoffs.

If they do add, it'll probably be a Matz type acquisition where they bring in a guy they think they can 'fix' into a 2-4 WAR pitcher.

Although I'd be happy as hell if they proved me wrong and brought in another big arm.

Heavy Jack · 12-01-2021, 12:37 PM

Trying to understand this team a little more than I normally do, I know we have a ton of young talent both on the big club and in the minors but what do the diehards think is truly missing from the club? How much room do the Jays have to add?? What’s still available that would bolster the club in the right way? I was supremely disappointed they fell basically a game short as this was the most invested I’ve ever been in an MLB/Jays season so what’s this team needing that won’t just help them squeak into a wildcard game but will push them over the top into ALEast contenders??

Edit: and to be clear i realize just how deep the ALEast is and how truly hard it is to be anointed the clear favourite in that division but I’m intrigued to see what people think could push this version of the Jays into dominance.

flames_fan_down_under · 12-01-2021, 12:52 PM

^^^A better bullpen and a better option at third base, preferably a left handed bat. Shore up the rotation with a depth starter.

Heavy Jack · 12-01-2021, 01:14 PM

I saw a article saying the Jays were looking at both Bryant and Taylor. I like the thought of Bryant because he could be that guy at 3rd but can also play pretty much any OF spot which is nice to have. Taylor I think could be a solid add but his bat leaves a lot to be desired especially with Semien departing from 2B.

Harry Lime · 12-01-2021, 01:48 PM

Kris Bryant is going to make some decent money and will be 20 per season, at least. He is probably looking for a five to seven year commitment. I would be happy with the lower end of both spectrums.

I wouldn't mind just going back to the well and bringing in Franklin Barreto for a three year deal, and let him platoon with Espinal to see who comes out the winner.

If you are looking for a potential closer, Kenley Jansen (2 years/10ish per), is still out there. He has been linked to the Blue Jays this off-season.

And the 'show me' type of reliever, there are a lot on the market this year. Some will be dirt cheap for what they bring. Two that interest me as long men, Collin McHugh and Jimmy Nelson.

On the starting pitcher front, Zack Grienke would be an intriguing name to platoon with Pearson and provide some insurance as the fifth starter. He's pushing 40, but still garners a lot of respect and has an arsenal that doesn't rely entirely on velocity. Comes in at 10M for one year (there abouts), so not bank breaking. Offer him two years with a transition into coaching, or the front office.

bluejays · 12-01-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Kris Bryant is going to make some decent money and will be 20 per season, at least. He is probably looking for a five to seven year commitment. I would be happy with the lower end of both spectrums.

I wouldn't mind just going back to the well and bringing in Franklin Barreto for a three year deal, and let him platoon with Espinal to see who comes out the winner.

If you are looking for a potential closer, Kenley Jansen (2 years/10ish per), is still out there. He has been linked to the Blue Jays this off-season.

And the 'show me' type of reliever, there are a lot on the market this year. Some will be dirt cheap for what they bring. Two that interest me as long men, Collin McHugh and Jimmy Nelson.

On the starting pitcher front, Zack Grienke would be an intriguing name to platoon with Pearson and provide some insurance as the fifth starter. He's pushing 40, but still garners a lot of respect and has an arsenal that doesn't rely entirely on velocity. Comes in at 10M for one year (there abouts), so not bank breaking. Offer him two years with a transition into coaching, or the front office.

A lot of good points. Grienke is a different guy though. I like him but I don’t know what he’s like around his teammates with his disorder and all. Especially in a media driven city like Toronto. With respect to his pitching it’s been in decline for a couple years and he’s tried to adjust but I don’t see it turning around. Not sure he’d like sharing time with anyone either. I’d estimate there’s a 30% chance of it working out by seasons end and that’s not a good enough gamble for a team going for it. So I’d pass.