2022 NHL Draft

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I dont know. I'd wager a ton of Russian kids want the hell out of there. Aside from the billionaires the vast majority of common folk or even well off folk is way too turbulent.

Guess we will see.

Oh I agree completely. But you're going to take the risk in this political climate of drafting a Russian kid? Things can continue to spiral negatively in this fragile situation where Russians will not be allowed to play in the NHL, public pressure increases for employing Russian players etc. etc. etc. There is currently a ton of things that could go sideways drafting a Russian. Not to mention this is on top of the already known flakiness of drafting Russians without all the new political climate.

So you're going to go draft a Russian, when the next kid down the line is how much "worse" than the Russian you're targeting?

Risk not worth the potential reward. You can draft a kid that has no risk, or you can draft a kid with risk, and what upside are you getting? The difference between these kids is not that huge past the first few picks, let's be honest. A lot of success comes from development IMO.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Yea I'm getting weird vibes from Cooley.

The common theme from this year's top prospects is all the same: that the sum of the whole isn't as good as the parts.
You can look at the individual attributes and see very compelling players - but the production from each of them isn't there consistently.
And it's unclear why. Is it a skill deficiency? Lack of consistent compete?
Not sure.
But that's the common element.
Lambert is than an even more extreme example of it.

Weird draft.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Oh I agree completely. But you're going to take the risk in this political climate of drafting a Russian kid? Things can continue to spiral negatively in this fragile situation where Russians will not be allowed to play in the NHL, public pressure increases for employing Russian players etc. etc. etc. There is currently a ton of things that could go sideways drafting a Russian. Not to mention this is on top of the already known flakiness of drafting Russians without all the new political climate.

So you're going to go draft a Russian, when the next kid down the line is how much "worse" than the Russian you're targeting?

Risk not worth the potential reward. You can draft a kid that has no risk, or you can draft a kid with risk, and what upside are you getting? The difference between these kids is not that huge past the first few picks, let's be honest. A lot of success comes from development IMO.

Last time this dynamic was in place to this extent was 2010
St. Louis got Tarasenko at #16 (traded up to get him too). The next few picks were Joey Hishon, Austin Watson, Nick Bjugstad, Beau Bennett, Riley Sheahan, and Jared Tinordi
Washington got Kuznetsov at #26. The next few picks were Mark Visentin, Charlie Coyle, Emerson Etem, Brock Nelson (good one) and Tyler Pitlick.

Both were considered top 10 picks on talent but fell due to the Russian factor.

It's a great way to get value if there is a faller this year.

[Sandman]

We were talking earlier about D available in the 2nd round-I forgot to mention D Filip Nordberg: He's big, at 6'4", very mobile, and is effective in both ends of the rink. Defensively, he owns the area around the crease, and makes life hard in his own zone for opponents. He's physical along the boards, and uses an active stick to break up plays. Plays with pace and intensity, with a sound defensive game.

Offensively, he owns a good shot, and very good overall instincts. He picked up 27 points in 42 J20 games, putting him 11th in league scoring (21st overall in ppg at .64), an outstanding feat for a player who just turned 18 in March. These numbers put him only slightly behind Odelius (0.7 ppg), and Havelid (0.66ppg), and ahead of Salomonsson (0.63 ppg).

The main knock on him is that he has to refine some of his decision-making-he tends to try and do to much, and not keep it simple, leading to turnovers. He an also lose control of the puck at inopportune times. These are things that can be fixed. He's big, physical, fast, and skilled. Hopefully, he's available at our pick, but he might be a draft-day riser.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Lane Huston would be a dream.
He showed up at the draft armed with medical opinion that his "bone age" is younger than his calendar age and why there is a good probability he may get taller. If this kid ends up 5'11 he could be the best dman in the draft.

But I also love the fact that he showed up with that info.

THN's Ryan Kennedy has Lane Hutson 58th FWIW - closer to our territory, but like many, feel he'll be gone much earlier

https://thehockeynews.com/news/2022-...nkings-the-120

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Last time this dynamic was in place to this extent was 2010
St. Louis got Tarasenko at #16 (traded up to get him too). The next few picks were Joey Hishon, Austin Watson, Nick Bjugstad, Beau Bennett, Riley Sheahan, and Jared Tinordi
Washington got Kuznetsov at #26. The next few picks were Mark Visentin, Charlie Coyle, Emerson Etem, Brock Nelson (good one) and Tyler Pitlick.

Both were considered top 10 picks on talent but fell due to the Russian factor.

It's a great way to get value if there is a faller this year.

In 2010, Russia was not embroiled in a major war, nor being subjected to mass international sanctions, nor was the Russian government actively trying to prevent people from leaving the country.

To be strictly honest, the last time this dynamic was in place to this extent was at the tail end of the 1980s.

I don't think that bodes well for any team that drafts Russian players at this time.

[Royle9]

I just hope the Flames somehow get some more picks.
Having 2 picks in the first 5 rounds is abysmal.

Pick 59 and then not again until round 5 @ 155th

Brad definitely went all in pick wise this year and it failed, but how do we recoup some of these lost picks? I unfortunately see no clear path on any of our guys turning into trade chips for picks.

Going to be a boring draft, thankfully like Jiri pointed out the whole draft this year just feels off in terms of quality. Next years is looking like it could be one of the best.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

In 2010, Russia was not embroiled in a major war, nor being subjected to mass international sanctions, nor was the Russian government actively trying to prevent people from leaving the country.

To be strictly honest, the last time this dynamic was in place to this extent was at the tail end of the 1980s.

I don't think that bodes well for any team that drafts Russian players at this time.

That's the tricky part. The math teams have to do is how long they think that dynamic will be place, the risk that they won't be able to get players over, and the higher potential of those players as they slip.
Hard to say how it all nets out, but from a pure talent POV you'll be able to get some higher potential later if you are willing to take a chance.
Teams with multiple 1sts may be more likely to leverage that opportunity.

[Knut]

Not to mention that KHL salary’s are not great right now and bound to get worse. You could actually see an influx of Russian players coming over. So the Russians in the draft could go early if they indicate they are coming over.

[Monahammer]

Pronmans mock now out on the athletic. 1. Slaf 2. Jiricek 3. Cooley 4. Wright. That's out there!

[Jiri Hrdina]

If the Habs pick Slaf first and throws everything off
- NJ doesn't need a centre so they pick a dman
- Seattle needs talent and scoring so they take Cooley over Wright
- Arizona then lands a big name which they need.

Dominoes.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Calgary picks in Pronman's draft:
59: Christian Kyrou
155: Evan Konyen
219: Reid Dyck

And he has the Habs taking Liam Ohgren with the Flames original 1st.

[Monahammer]

I think someone will convince NJ to trade the pick if they're not interested in Wright at that point.

[Royle9]

Yep, if MTL takes Slaf then I definitely see NJ trading down even if only 1-2 spots to recoup some additional picks. Plenty of teams should seemingly want to trade up in the scenario.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think someone will convince NJ to trade the pick if they're not interested in Wright at that point.

I think there's going to be several teams that view Wright as the best player in the draft and the Habs passing on him would put the Devils in a very good position to trade the picks for a haul.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Yep, if MTL takes Slaf then I definitely see NJ trading down even if only 1-2 spots to recoup some additional picks. Plenty of teams should seemingly want to trade up in the scenario.

Recoup isn't the word I would use since they aren't missing any (in fact have two additional 4th rounders) but Arizona could certainly be a team that moves a pick or two to move up from third. Currently they have thr third with the 27th, 32nd, 34th, 36th, 43rd, and 45th picks. 6 picks that tight together isn't usual and I wonder if they think it would impact development if they all have those 2nd tier prospects all at the same age. Or maybe they are happy that they can just draft their entire draft list by the middle of the 2nd lol.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If the Habs pick Slaf first and throws everything off
- NJ doesn't need a centre so they pick a dman
- Seattle needs talent and scoring so they take Cooley over Wright
- Arizona then lands a big name which they need.

Dominoes.

Arizona has the third though, not Kraken.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Arizona has the third though, not Kraken.

Oops right. I still think it plays out the same way though.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Recoup isn't the word I would use since they aren't missing any (in fact have two additional 4th rounders) but Arizona could certainly be a team that moves a pick or two to move up from third. Currently they have thr third with the 27th, 32nd, 34th, 36th, 43rd, and 45th picks. 6 picks that tight together isn't usual and I wonder if they think it would impact development if they all have those 2nd tier prospects all at the same age. Or maybe they are happy that they can just draft their entire draft list by the middle of the 2nd lol.

True , recoup was bad wording lol.

I had no idea Arizona had those picks, whens the last time that happened or anything even close to it. Poor kids getting selected by Arizona, what a terrible place to play and franchise to be on.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Calgary picks in Pronman's draft:
59: Christian Kyrou
155: Evan Konyen
219: Reid Dyck

And he has the Habs taking Liam Ohgren with the Flames original 1st.

Is Kyrou related to Jordan?