[Signing] Flames sign Erik Gudbranson (1 yr, $1.95 mil)

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If said player is in the way of a promising prospect then he's not in the way because his contract can be buried. It's a simple insurance policy.

If you want to change the topic to the fact that there likely isn't a forward or dman that will kick the door down then fine.

If you want to change the topic to the fact that the upper roster (core) isn't all that good, then fine.

But adding a guy that can be waived and not effect your cap is the last thing anyone should be complaining about.

I may be missing something in the discussion but you cant burry all of Gudbranson's cap hit in the minors.

[boogerz]

Vatanen probably could have been signed for $2M or less...

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If said player is in the way of a promising prospect then he's not in the way because his contract can be buried. It's a simple insurance policy.

If you want to change the topic to the fact that there likely isn't a forward or dman that will kick the door down then fine.

If you want to change the topic to the fact that the upper roster (core) isn't all that good, then fine.

But adding a guy that can be waived and not effect your cap is the last thing anyone should be complaining about.

I don’t really think I’m changing the topic. It’s about making good decisions on player signings. The fact that there is not a long term liability isn’t the only factor IMO.

Rinaldo wasn’t buried in the minors. He played and was bad.I’d like to see the club do better with these types of signings.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

I know I'm the outlier, but I'll wait until the season starts before making a decision on the Flames moves this year. Chemistry is a weird thing and maybe this year we'll have some.

"Maybe this year". Said the optimistic fan every off season. Here's how it goes, it doesn't. And next year , we will again sign a bunch of washed up 4th liners and 7/8th defenseman that no team wanted.

[Joborule]

As I said in the Stone thread. WTF is the plan here?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I may be missing something in the discussion but you cant burry all of Gudbranson's cap hit in the minors.

It was in response to complaining about Richardson and Stone.

[Burn13]

Tre just can't help himself...hey look we have extra cap space let's go sign some 4th liners and overated D and use it all up. Leave those kids on the farm.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If said player is in the way of a promising prospect then he's not in the way because his contract can be buried. It's a simple insurance policy.

If you want to change the topic to the fact that there likely isn't a forward or dman that will kick the door down then fine.

If you want to change the topic to the fact that the upper roster (core) isn't all that good, then fine.

But adding a guy that can be waived and not effect your cap is the last thing anyone should be complaining about.

I agree with the facts as you've laid them out but I disagree with your take on it. The core is flawed and not good enough to build around. We don't have any blue chip prospects. They could waive him if they need to...

But what kind of an insurance policy is a below replacement level d man that makes too much money? You can get better players on waivers or PTOs no problem. You say no risk but what is the reward here?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don’t really think I’m changing the topic. It’s about making good decisions on player signings. The fact that there is not a long term liability isn’t the only factor IMO.

Rinaldo wasn’t buried in the minors. He played and was bad.I’d like to see the club do better with these types of signings.

Well I think Richardson and Stone have solid numbers from last year ... decent depth signings.

Haven't tried at all to defend the Gudbranson signing.

[Moneyhands23]

We could have sent a 4th to Seattle for any of their surplus D and been way better off

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

I agree with the facts as you've laid them out but I disagree with your take on it. The core is flawed and not good enough to build around. We don't have any blue chip prospects. They could waive him if they need to...

But what kind of an insurance policy is a below replacement level d man that makes too much money? You can get better players on waivers or PTOs no problem. You say no risk but what is the reward here?

You have to follow the whole discussion.

Didn't defend the Gudbranson signing at all. Just pointing out whining about Richardson and Stone (Ritchie/Lewis) is silly.

[talladega.25]

Originally Posted by Burn13

Tre just can't help himself...hey look we have extra cap space let's go sign some 4th liners and overated D and use it all up. Leave those kids on the farm.

Sutter sent out the memo saying "it's harvest time and its all hands on deck for the kids". Their schedule is full apparently.. according to Sutter.

[kehatch]

I think there are two possibilities. One, the Flames are adding D and G to make a run at Eichel (Andersson/Valamki, Wolf, etc). Two, we are adding some depth and size.

As of now we sit at

Hanafin-Tanev
Zadarov-Andersson
Valamaki-Gubrandson
Stone

That isn't sexy, but it's much more stable then it was pre signings. Kylington, Mackey, and Welinksy are depth available for call up.

I hope it's possibity A, but given Sutters and Trelivings MO, B is more likely.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Burn13

Tre just can't help himself...hey look we have extra cap space let's go sign some 4th liners and overated D and use it all up. Leave those kids on the farm.

Well, you can only ice a certain number of players on the roster. I think that they still have some wiggle room to develop cap over the season and a bunch of the "cap space" - not necessarily this contract but a lot - can be buried.



I wasn't holding out that they were going to make any further significant moves with rookie games starting soon. The importance of these announcements to me is that we have our roster, unless something radically changes. If they are releasing the contract numbers now and are starting to look at who will be in camp, then I suspect that any further moves are highly unlikely. For those of us who wanted something more significant this off-season, I think these announcements this week means we are not going to see it.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Apparently

Big = Good

This signing has Sutter's influence written all over it

To be fair the Flames have been repeatedly pushed around and intimidated in the playoffs by bigger and more aggressive teams. Having Zadarov, Lucic, and now Gudbranson in the lineup puts an immediate stop to that.

With this acquisition, the Flames are still below average size at 18th in weight and 23rd in height:

https://www.eliteprospects.com/leagu...tats/2019-2020

[jlh2640]

Love his toughness, hate that AAV

[bzoo02]

Maybe the idea is to make the Flames a physically intimidating team to play against, kind of like Washington in the east.

Tkachuk
Lucic
Coleman
Ritchie
Lewis
Zadorov
Gudbranson

All have no problem dropping the mitts.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by blankall

To be fair the Flames have been repeatedly pushed around and intimidated in the playoffs by bigger and more aggressive teams. Having Zadarov, Lucic, and now Gudbranson in the lineup puts an immediate stop to that...

... by ensuring they miss said playoffs

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by blankall

To be fair the Flames have been repeatedly pushed around and intimidated in the playoffs by bigger and more aggressive teams. Having Zadarov, Lucic, and now Gudbranson in the lineup puts an immediate stop to that.

With this acquisition, the Flames are still below average size at 18th in weight and 23rd in height:

https://www.eliteprospects.com/leagu...tats/2019-2020

In the recent playoffs I've watched the issue of the size and physicality of the Flames is way down the list from the fact that our best players consistently get outplayed by the other teams best players. Outplayed and too slow.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Maybe the idea is to make the Flames a physically intimidating team to play against, kind of like Washington in the east.

Tkachuk
Lucic
Coleman
Ritchie
Lewis
Zadorov
Gudbranson
Stone

All have no problem dropping the mitts.

If Stone has no problem dropping the mitts he sure has waited awhile to have his first career fight