10-04-2021, 11:56 AM
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#181
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeltlineFan
Interesting chart by Byron Bader regarding stars drafted over the last 30 years. His metrics have the Flames drafting the 9th most including 4 in the 2010s. He mentions in the comments they are Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk and Fox.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1444853454002814984 |
Dallas drafted only one star in the 90's. Thank you Dallas!
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10-04-2021, 11:56 AM
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#182
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GOAT!
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Crazy part is since the cutoff is 1990, Colorado's list doesn't even include Sakic, Sundin and Goulet (Peter Stastny was undrafted).
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10-04-2021, 12:07 PM
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#183
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I assume they have a tough definition of "star".
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10-04-2021, 12:25 PM
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#185
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeltlineFan
Interesting chart by Byron Bader regarding stars drafted over the last 30 years. His metrics have the Flames drafting the 9th most including 4 in the 2010s. He mentions in the comments they are Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk and Fox.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1444853454002814984 |
Detroit's record doesn't bode well for Edmonton's future.
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10-04-2021, 12:30 PM
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#186
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Surprised the Bruins are so high as they have never really had the lows of some of the other organizations over the decades. Flames have done well considering they have never drafted top 3 although that Darryl Sutter decade was one to forget.
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10-04-2021, 02:08 PM
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#187
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonBlue
I'm always more interested in low draft picks who become NHL regulars.
I'd love to see some sort of chart for teams who have players picked in the 3rd round or later who played over 400 games for the team that drafted them,
just as an example.
fun to see guys that got passed over by all teams for multiple rounds succeed, or even become stars.
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I had a ready made db for 2015-19 drafts.
Filtered out
players that have played 81 or less games
with a point per game under 0.39
Only 6 players drafted in those 5 years have hit those marks
Connor Garland
Jesper Bratt
Drake Batherson
Anthony Cirelli
and ...
Andrew Mangiapane
Adam Fox
Calgary with 2/6
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10-04-2021, 02:10 PM
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#188
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
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Nope.
I'm way more worried about last season than I am about 3 preseason appearances with skeleton rosters playing around him.
Same with Kylington. He's played well, but hasn't faced elite talent and was given the best partner.
Bad signs and good signs, but only signs with a small sample size.
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10-04-2021, 02:18 PM
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#189
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
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I am a bit worried about him for sure.
He had two good seasons on the bottom pair. But has struggled with elevated responsibility in a top 4 role now.
He really dragged down both Hanifin and Giordano's advanced numbers when they played with him last year.
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10-04-2021, 04:15 PM
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#190
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#1 Goaltender
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The most concerning thing about Rasmus’ prior year is how drastic a decline it was without really any explanatory factor I can think of unless they kept an injury really under wraps
A) he played with good players for the most part
B) he was clearly dragging those players down despite them playing well together prior
C) similar usage as to past seasons
D) wasn’t due to the coaching change as he was bad with both
So why did he just suddenly start playing bad in situations he used to play well?
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10-09-2021, 09:41 AM
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#192
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon
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In this case analytics = eye test at least imo
Vladar might be better than shown
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10-09-2021, 09:57 AM
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#194
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kelowna, B.C.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
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Did they forget about Hanifin?
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10-09-2021, 09:58 AM
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#195
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neo45
In this case analytics = eye test at least imo
Vladar might be better than shown
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Yeah the forwards are deep.
The defense is suspect.
The hope is around the goaltending, as a bounce back Markstrom and Vladar becoming more than "who?" likely moves that up to what 10?
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10-09-2021, 10:01 AM
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#196
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by Red_Baron
Did they forget about Hanifin?
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"So far"
Hanifin hadn't played yet.
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10-09-2021, 10:03 AM
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#197
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by Canada 02
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Why is Seattle so high on some of those lists? TopDown even has them winning the division?
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10-09-2021, 10:10 AM
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#198
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80
"So far"
Hanifin hadn't played yet.
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And Rasmus has had a couple way better games since.
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10-09-2021, 10:12 AM
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#199
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kelowna, B.C.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80
"So far"
Hanifin hadn't played yet.
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 Shows how much pre-season I've watched this year. Forgot about his shoulder surgery last season.
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10-09-2021, 10:50 AM
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#200
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Final preseason stats with and without Tanev for Kylington, Valimaki and Zadorov
Kylington
W/Tanev 31 min
CF% 67%
xGF% 77%
HD 57%
WO/Tanev 43 min
CF% 45%
xGF% 40%
HD 33%
Zadorov
W/Tanev 33 min
CF% 57%
xGF% 58%
HD 58%
WO/Tanev 46 min
CF% 28%
xGF% 18%
HD 14%
Valimaki
W/Tanev 14 min
CF% 53%
xGF% 50%
HD 100%
WO/Tanev 30 min
CF% 39%
xGF% 35%
HD 57%
Key problem is the when and against who as well. Kylington had more ice against weak rosters with Tanev for example. Valimaki's only time with Tanev was last night against a reasonably full Jets team. A lot of Zadorov's time was in the Edmonton game.
Amazing to see what Tanev can do with a partner though. Great signing.
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