[Signing] Oilers sign Darnell Nurse to extension beginning in 2022 (8 yrs, $9.25 mil AAV)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Yams had 47 points in his last 79 games too. It’s not out of the question he could get 2 years around $3 mil. If they want him long term it’s going to be over $4mil maybe close to $5 mil

24 of those points were scored in the first 27 games of that sample, and on the strength of a dizzying 25.0%. He is not getting paid anywhere near $4.0 m on his next contract. Yamamoto is not very good.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Uh no, but I try to look at it from the Oilers perspective.

McDavid has 5 years left; Drai 4. They should be mortgaging their future to go all in and get good players to play with McDrai for the next 4 years. Use all your 2025+ picks and cap space to win now. If you don't, McDavid/Drai will leave and you will have wasted your golden ticket. That should be the plan, and them acting within that plan makes a lot of sense.

They've already wasted 6 years of McDavid having him play with no-talent sucks like Neal, Chiasson, Kassian, Archibald. On the back end, their best players have been Kris Russell, Klefbom, Sekera, and Larsson. That's a lot of suck.

This deal is a big overpay, but a) they need good players on their team now. b) the worst part of the contract will be in years 4+. This reasoning also shows why the Hyman signing is smart for them. Ceci is terrible though.

And isn’t paying an average, or slightly above average if we’re being generous, defencemen over 9 million a season going to hamper their ability to bring in anymore talented players. Sure seems that way to me.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

24 of those points were scored in the first 27 games of that sample, and on the strength of a dizzying 25.0%. He is not getting paid anywhere near $4.0 m on his next contract. Yamamoto is not very good.

I think you under-estimate the power of the Hollandaize

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

he is the 3rd highest paid defenseman - he is already being paid like he is elite defensively

Fair enough. I'd wager by year 2 or 3, he falls down that list. By year 5 or 6 its a steal. This is just the way it goes. Everyone complains about upper tier player contracts saying they are overpaid. I've even read that some say it about McDavid. There are only about 5-7 dmen who are elite offensively and defensively... so what are the rest worth? Well, the market determines that. Another good comparable is Dougie Hamilton and I thought that was a good deal too. Hamilton is hardly elite defensively too

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[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Fair enough. I'd wager by year 2 or 3, he falls down that list. By year 5 or 6 its a steal. This is just the way it goes. Everyone complains about upper tier player contracts saying they are overpaid. I've even read that some say it about McDavid. There are only about 5-7 dmen who are elite offensively and defensively... so what are the rest worth? Well, the market determines that. Another good comparable is Dougie Hamilton and I thought that was a good deal too. Hamilton is hardly elite defensively too

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I’d trust Hamilton in the defensive zone a hell of a lot more than I’d trust Nurse!!

[chedder]

Compared to Nurse, Hamilton is elite defensively.

And offensively Hamilton is
.56 ppg vs Nurse at .39. (I know Nurse is 2 seasons less so could improve that, maybe)

There's no arguing this is a massive overpayment. Holland is the gift that keeps on giving.

[CsInMyBlood]

Nurse was 8th in the league among defenseman with 61 giveaways. Pay that man!

Keith was 6th in the league among defenseman with 63 giveaways. Trade for that man!

Could this be a pairing? Just imagine. The twin towers of cough it up.

We wont mention Draisaitl and his 71 giveaways. Ok I will because it brings me joy knowing there is a possibility of having all three of these guys on the ice at the same time.

[Harry Lime]

If you are a #1 defenseman in this league, you are getting paid 7-9m a year. If you are getting the higher end of that, your defense partner is going to be in the 3m range, and you should be good enough to even out the deficiencies. Nurse should have a 5m partner. I think that he will struggle with any potential pairing, especially now that they have lost Larsson.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Nurse was 8th in the league among defenseman with 61 giveaways. Pay that man!

Keith was 6th in the league among defenseman with 63 giveaways. Trade for that man!

Could this be a pairing? Just imagine. The twin towers of cough it up.

We wont mention Draisaitl and his 71 giveaways. Ok I will because it brings me joy knowing there is a possibility of having all three of these guys on the ice at the same time.

The Oilers will be having Nurse and Keith and as the 1st and 2nd LD. But thankfully defensive stalwart Tyson Barrie will he there to help cover for Nurse. And Keith has Ceci. This could be the worst defense in the NHL.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Nurse pretty much dominated last year. One more year like that and the contract is good. Not sure which Nurse everyone here was watching but he,'s definately a star.

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Maybe you should look at numbers other than points he scores playing with McDavid like oh I don't know... playing defense.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Redrum

I'd be kinda pissed if I was Barrie. He had even more points, and is even worse defensively. Doesn't that mean 10+ mill?

But can he face punch? It’s visually better.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Bingo

https://twitter.com/user/status/1423769870521487362

https://twitter.com/user/status/1420385516571172866

8 years ago the Oilers dodged a bullet when they offered David Clarkson more money than they Leafs, no doubt loaded with buyout proof signing bonus money.

The cap was what $64-65 million.

5 years ago a bullet hit them between the eyes with Lucic when the cap was ~$73 milllion.

They’ve learned nothing. Maybe the Nurse & Hyman contracts turnout better than Lucic & Clarkson deals, however that’s a boat load of risk if they don’t, or even close to the same value.

It’s just another Oiler short cut in evolving plan of… “if everything goes right we’ll be fine, and let’s not consider things going bad.”

[Yobbo]

People can try justifying this contract anyway they want, but at the end of the day it was a huge overpayment, and no one will convince me otherwise. Nurse, isn't that good.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Fair enough. I'd wager by year 2 or 3, he falls down that list. By year 5 or 6 its a steal. This is just the way it goes. Everyone complains about upper tier player contracts saying they are overpaid. I've even read that some say it about McDavid. There are only about 5-7 dmen who are elite offensively and defensively... so what are the rest worth? Well, the market determines that. Another good comparable is Dougie Hamilton and I thought that was a good deal too. Hamilton is hardly elite defensively too

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This contract is never going to be a steal.

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[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

30.5M on 3 players.

which is still less than the Leafs top 3. not the way to build a team i feel

[corporatejay]

I think a good way to look at it is 12m on a first pair. But I don't think nurse is good enough to carry a 2.75m defenseman. He seems like. 7mm dollar player. This would be fine if the Oilers had other defensemen on good contracts, but they don't.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

which is still less than the Leafs top 3. not the way to build a team i feel

The one benefit the Leafs have is they are able to attract decent vets that will play at a reduced salary (Simmonds and Thornton last year.) That isn't happening in Edmonton.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Fair enough. I'd wager by year 2 or 3, he falls down that list. By year 5 or 6 its a steal. This is just the way it goes. Everyone complains about upper tier player contracts saying they are overpaid. I've even read that some say it about McDavid. There are only about 5-7 dmen who are elite offensively and defensively... so what are the rest worth? Well, the market determines that. Another good comparable is Dougie Hamilton and I thought that was a good deal too. Hamilton is hardly elite defensively too

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People spew this all the time about long term deals (also "the cap will go up")...has it ever come true?

What 'steals' do we see on page 1 here?
https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/a...e=goalie-stats

Of course Ovy and Crosby, though the only doubts about their contracts were why they are so low.

Draisaitl was hard to assess when signed, but it's a bit of a steal now.

I don't know if anyone thought Hedman's deal was too rich when signed? 7.875M = 10.79% of the cap when signed. It's still a steal assuming he returns to full health.

Nurse's timeline is identical to Hedman...signed one year in advance at age 26. Nurse is 11.35% of the cap.


Josi and Burns were over 30 when signed so not a great comparison...their deals remain fair, but will never be a steal.

Heiskanen, Makar, and maybe Aho/Chabot have potential to be seen as 'steals' in a few years. Like Drai, they were signed coming off their ELCs.

Of course MacKinnon and Couturier are steals...not sure anyone thought they were an overpay at the time.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I mean he needs another year to prove it wasn't a one off. To me anyway. He does it again and I will believe. He's what Phaneuf should've been

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Didn’t The Dion have 3 elite seasons to Nurse’s 1?

Jury still way out out on that comparison.

I bet this goes down with as a comparable to Nonis’ Dion re-up. Neither GM ever works in NHL as GM again.

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Year 1 is 10% escrow, the following 3 years 6%. The far more important things for Nurse are the buyout protection signing bonuses in the back half of the deal.



That extra $3M a year can buy him a lot of earplugs.

I'm not sure what your point is... but another comment I made was about the front loaded deal, and yes escrow is schedule to be higher in the beginning of the deal, so getting your money earlier will be charged a higher escrow fee and the players are something like 1 billion in the hole, so they need to claw that difference back. But then I made a point that the time value of money kicks in, a dollar today is worth more then a dollar tomorrow, and with inflation schedule to be what it's predicted to be, that may be significant, so that reduces the escrow difference. Also.... escrow is schedule to be lower in the future, but... we don't know if that will hold true, more shut downs may make the escrow remain high, and if NHLPA/NHL increases the cap by 1 million artificially, that money will have to come back in the escrow too.

Our economy, the US economy (players are paid in USD) is screwed... I was looking at the m1 and m2 money supply in the US the other day... it's (m2) gone up 5 fold in just the last few years to sit at just above 20 trillion - that's crazy.... that would mean, for inflation to remain at zero, that productivity (or another offset like population growth) in that same time frame would have to go up 5 fold as well - and I know it hasn't, I know because of COVID, it's been lower than normal. So we have 5 dollars chasing the same products that 1 dollar chased just a few years back... meaning inflation is going to be out of control, there is always a delay in these things, as it turns out, giving money away to people to stay home and not work, it isn't a good thing.

So how does this affect escrow.... if escrow goes down by 4% but inflation is at 4%.... then it doesn't matter, does it, the purchasing power of Nurse's money is the same.