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DeluxeMoustache · 04-02-2021, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

This team just has bad chemistry. We pinpoint certain players but this team is just disconnected. Nobody knows where anyone is, nobody knows what each other is doing, where they are going, who's covering who, etc etc. It's like 19 individuals on the ice. It's ugly. But the good news is we're still not out of it. Bingo said earlier if we can finish 17-2. That's only 1 loss so we just need to finish 17-1 and we'll be okay.

So you’re telling me there is a chance

genetic_phreek · 04-02-2021, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

So you’re telling me there is a chance

Maybe Sutter will be creative this year. Instead of 7 game series segments he just does a 16 game countdown to Stanley.

CroCop · 04-02-2021, 10:42 PM

Markstrom is Neal 2.0...or Brouwer 3.0 or...

1qqaaz · 04-02-2021, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CroCop

Markstrom is Neal 2.0...or Brouwer 3.0 or...

At least those players didn't have a 6x6.

scotty2hotty · 04-02-2021, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

Let's take away Markstrom's god-tier goaltending early in the season, and Rittich's heroics in that 2 game mini series against the Leafs, and let's see how many wins the Flames have under Ward.

Even with the recent struggles, I'll take how the team has been playing under Sutter over how they played under Ward, every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

It can be both.

I truly believe that Ward is a terrible head coach.

AND the makeup of this team is terrible.

Manhattanboy · 04-02-2021, 10:44 PM

This season is done.

Sad, very sad, thing is that there are no bright spots on the horizon.

This franchise could be a bottom feeder for years to come.

Willi Plett · 04-02-2021, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

The only way the Flames win tonight is if they held Edmonton to 1 goal. I don't think that is a reasonable expectation night in and night out. Maybe they win in a shootout if Markstrom doesn't let in the 3rd goal, but fact remains that the team just isn't scoring enough to win. Period. Full stop.

I’ve said it for 5+ years. You have to know you can consistently score 3 goals a game minimum to consistently win and be a playoff team with a chance.

jayswin · 04-02-2021, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

That is a complete crock of ####.

In 2018/19 the Flames scored TWO HUNDRED EIGHTY NINE (289) goals, SECOND in the NHL, behind only TB!

I think there's a point where we have to call time of death on a clear outlier of a season where every single player scored at an unsustainable rate full of career highs.

It's been long enough that we would have seen some glimpses of what went on that season by now if there was any chance of it coming back.

dino7c · 04-02-2021, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CroCop

Markstrom is Neal 2.0...or Brouwer 3.0 or...

this is dumb

Markstrom has played 26 games with the Flames

13 or so were amazing
13 or so were not great

Condensed schedule, new team, terrible team play

Need to give the guy a real chance, I bet he has a good year next season

Burning Beard · 04-02-2021, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd liner

Three games left against these clowns? Out of the playoffs? Dress rinaldo, Robinson, ritchie. Send one hell of a message for next season. You want to call penalties on us ref? Let’s earn those penalties. Just drill mcdingus when you get the chance. Let’s see caveman enforce the code with his boo-boo. Only thing left to look forward to. Other than the epic collapse of the oilers

One hundred percent this. Make the game way more entertaining to watch.

Classic_Sniper · 04-02-2021, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

That is a complete crock of ####.

In 2018/19 the Flames scored TWO HUNDRED EIGHTY NINE (289) goals, SECOND in the NHL, behind only TB!

Not sure if serious or not...

If you’re serious. I will say that in the previous season , the Flames finished in the bottom 5 in goals. So which team is the real Calgary Flames? Those 289 also didn’t work against the 8th seeded Avs.

It’s interesting, under Ward and Peters, this team was extremely aggressive and pursued the puck heavily for their chances but gave him plenty of goals and chances in the process. Now they’re playing more structured and conservative which has dropped the chances against, but now they can’t score. I think it just goes to show that this team quite simply under any style of play, just isn’t good enough.

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Mathgod · 04-02-2021, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Now compare it to Ward's tenure.

Even strength xGF% was 51.09 under Sutter's 12 games, 51.32 over the whole season.

By the law of averages, as you say, this team should be in a playoff spot (or close to). Expected stats are a somewhat overrated IMO, but when sample sizes are small it's the best stat available for tracking player/team performance.

Looks favorable for Ward, but there's quite a bit it doesn't take into account. For instance, this team has known for the past couple of weeks that the playoffs were basically out of reach for them, so it likely took some of the wind out of their sails. Plus, things like injuries, Backlund's new baby, etc.

CroCop · 04-02-2021, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

this is dumb

Markstrom has played 26 games with the Flames

13 or so were amazing
13 or so were not great

Condensed schedule, new team, terrible team play

Need to give the guy a real chance, I bet he has a good year next season

Whatever we were all waiting for The Real Deal to come around too. I’ve seen enough. How’s he gonna look while we continue to decline. Bad contract timing wise.

Manhattanboy · 04-02-2021, 10:53 PM

Who gives a #### about Ward?

He was a terrible hire to begin with. He will never be a head coach again in the NHL.

Feel bad for the guy but move on already.

dino7c · 04-02-2021, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CroCop

Whatever we were all waiting for The Real Deal to come around too. I’ve seen enough. How’s he gonna look while we continue to decline. Bad contract timing wise.

Neal had 13 amazing games?

Markstrom was on fire in the first month or so...he was a top 4 player on earth in his position last year.

its not a good comparison at all...Neal isn't even an NHLer anymore

26 games

MillerTime GFG · 04-02-2021, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I shook it. I still come to the same conclusion. His plan isn't getting the job done. Sure, a few guys are playing with a bit more effort, but nothing notable has changed, they're scoring less, and they're losing more.

I try not to let nostalgia color my viewpoints.

But you’ll let a 10-game stint with a brand new coach, in the middle of a season, with an already bad team, during a covid year where there’s less practices to implement his systems/styles, with no pre season with the team, colour your viewpoints?

DeluxeMoustache · 04-02-2021, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Neal had 13 amazing games?

Markstrom was on fire in the first month or so...he was a top 4 player on earth in his position last year.

its not a good comparison at all...Neal isn't even an NHLer anymore

26 games

Whoa, whoa.

Markstrom was 14th in sv% in the NHL, right after Talbot who was 13th

dino7c · 04-02-2021, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Whoa, whoa.

Markstrom was 14th in sv% in the NHL, right after Talbot who was 13th

Because all shots are equal right...this guy

4th in vezina voting...NHL GMs thought he was top 4

did you even watch last season? Canucks were a tire fire and Markstrom was their MVP by a mile and got them in the playoffs by himself

DeluxeMoustache · 04-02-2021, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Because all shots are equal right...this guy

4th in vezina voting...NHL GMs thought he was top 4

did you even watch last season? Canucks were a tire fire and Markstrom was their MVP by a mile and got them in the playoffs by himself

Oh, he was 4th best in the world based on feelings

Pass. Not willing to entertain this

dino7c · 04-02-2021, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Oh, he was 4th best in the world based on feelings

Pass. Not willing to entertain this

BASED ON NHL GMS VOTING HIM THE 4TH BEST GOALIE IN THE NHL LAST SEASON

Again, did you watch last season? Because he was also voted the Canucks MVP in a landslide.

Is your argument that Markstrom wasn't a top goalie last season? Odd the Oilers would offer him a 7 year contract and not Talbot based on your numbers.

Go look at Demko's numbers in front of that team last season