[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by timbit

Dude...are you saying that you want 34 year old Edler over just turned 24 year old Hanifin?

Cmon...you’re better than that.

It's not nice to put words in peoples mouths.

I was not suggesting Hanifin for Edler straight across or Bennett for Anderson... (maybe both for Anderson)

When the Flames were trying to acquire Edler their offer was only Kylington. (speculated to be)

[timbit]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Thanks, I did hear it correctly. It wasn’t as dramatic as many people are making it out to be

The player wants to play, is open to betting on himself. It is possibly as much of a tactic pressuring for ice time as anything else.

No big deal

Thought he had a good game tonight, was noticeable in a good way

He did have a very good game.

Most PK and PP minutes In a long time.

[DeluxeMoustache]

He is getting looks recently on the PK, and also a bit on the PP

Could well be part of the same story

[Jiri Hrdina]

I suspect there is a very limited market for him. Teams will have to consider his salary, using an expansion slot on him, and his qualifying offer.
you maybe get a pick for him. Otherwise I agree a change of scenery exchange type deal is appropriate.
I suspect nothing happens near-term.

[N-E-B]

While I don’t think the Flames are 100% innocent I really think the idea that they mismanaged Bennett is an easy excuse.

I the majority of the blame is on Bennett. He hasn’t played well enough to earn a top six role and he takes unbelievably bad penalties at bad times. He drives coaches nuts.

I think a change is best for both the player and the team but I don’t think he’ll magically reach his draft potential.

[btimbit]

I don't mean to crap on the guy, I've been rooting for him for years and will continue to even after he's traded. But the sad truth is he's just a disappointing third liner at this point

[Classic_Sniper]

Hope it happens honestly just to finally end the chapter of the ever polarizing Sam Bennett in this place. Sam Bennett just simply doesn’t understand what makes him an effective player in this league. I thought he had it figured out after the bubble, but obviously he hasn’t.

Regular season Sam Bennett doesn’t hit, doesn’t play north-south, tries to dipsy doodle like he’s back in Kingston, turns the puck over and takes an offensive zone penalty. His confidence drops, starts to feel sorry for himself and plays like a replacement level part.

Playoff Sam Bennett on the other hand plays north-south, hits like there’s no tomorrow, forechecks, turns pucks over and cycles down low and drives to the net which he’s very effective at because he has great edges. This is good Sam Bennett. Black and blue, heavy hockey. I get that he can’t play this way through an entire regular season schedule, but there has to be a happy medium.

It’s too bad he let his 4th overall selection effect his mindset for so long. If he was a second rounder, maybe he’d finally understand. But good luck to whoever gets him because they’ll likely see a lot of the frustrations we all did.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

While I don’t think the Flames are 100% innocent I really think the idea that they mismanaged Bennett is an easy excuse.

I the majority of the blame is on Bennett. He hasn’t played well enough to earn a top six role and he takes unbelievably bad penalties at bad times. He drives coaches nuts.

I think a change is best for both the player and the team but I don’t think he’ll magically reach his draft potential.

No question.

Sam has made his own bed.

[topfiverecords]

I hope we can get someone to give us a 7th but we’ll probably have to take future considerations.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by JTech780

If we have to trade Bennett our best bet might be to aim for a team looking to move their own reclamation project.

There is Jake Virtanen which has been speculated a ton.

Buffalo has Tage Thompson and Casey Mittlestadt who haven't lived up to their hype.

Ottawa had been rumored to be looking to move Logan Brown.

Eeli Tolvanen hasn't live up to his hype in Nashville.

Travis Dermott seems to be on the outs in Toronto and Toronto has been rumoured to like Bennet in the past.

Mete in Montreal.

Vince Dunn is available from St. Louis and almost got traded to Pittsburgh earlier in the week.

Vince Dunn $1.875m AAV, pending RFA, LD

Travis Dermott $875k AAV, pending RFA, LD

Victor Mete $735k AAV, Pending RFA, LD/RD

Eeli Tolvanen $894k AAV, Pending RFA, LW

Logan Brown $863k AAV, Pending RFA, C

Take Thompson $1.4m AAV, 2 yrs remaining, C/RW

Casey Mittlestadt $874k AAV, Pending RFA, C

Jake Virtanen $2.55m AAV, 1 yr remaining, LW/RW



out of all those, only Virtanen seems likely based on age and contract status. Not accounting for actual value based on on-ice factors.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I suspect there is a very limited market for him. Teams will have to consider his salary, using an expansion slot on him, and his qualifying offer.
you maybe get a pick for him. Otherwise I agree a change of scenery exchange type deal is appropriate.
I suspect nothing happens near-term.

Maybe get a pick for him???

Are you saying he has no value, or negative value at his salary? I don’t think so.

[Beatle17]

Same agent for both unhappy players, wonder if he has done a ####ty job informing his clients where they fit into the scheme of things without playing better?

[nieuwy-89]

I don’t support trading Bennett, but I understand why it might be best for both the player and the team. He should have been groomed to be the third line centre but for various reasons he has bounced around the lineup.

He needs to own most of the blame. His poor offensive output and bad penalties speak for themselves. But I do think the team has let him down as well.

Such a shame for the franchise’s highest-ever draft pick.

[Strange Brew]

Bingo has done lots of analysis that support an idea that Bennett is an effective third liner and on an appropriate contract. And he elevates his game in the playoffs. Hopefully BT can find a like minded GM out there and get a 3rd line forward in return. This team still needs the forward depth.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Maybe get a pick for him???

Are you saying he has no value, or negative value at his salary? I don’t think so.

That’s what I’m saying. Tough market for a pending RFA making $2.5m who has never shown much and is currently toiling on the 3rd/4th line.

Going to take a great sales pitch to get any GM to be interested in taking on that player.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Bingo has done lots of analysis that support an idea that Bennett is an effective third liner and on an appropriate contract. And he elevates his game in the playoffs. Hopefully BT can find a like minded GM out there and get a 3rd line forward in return. This team still needs the forward depth.

Bingo will correct me if wrong...I believe his analysis is that Sam is an average third liner.

Some would conclude that he is a below average third liner.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Maybe get a pick for him???

Are you saying he has no value, or negative value at his salary? I don’t think so.

The market for Bennett will be exceptionally small, for all the reasons Jiri suggested. Bennett is a 3rd or 4th line player, get's paid really well for what he produces and brings to the team, and is a RFA with a substantial qualifier. If you're making a deal for him you're going to have to swallow the qualifier, and because you have swallowed that qualifier use a protection slot for Bennett. That is a sizable investment for a player whose production hit an all time low last season and has been trending in the wrong direction. The best thing the Flames can hope for is a swap of problem children. Jake Virtanen is the perfect fit?

[Tyler]

On one hand, thank god. Been waiting for this for years.

On the other hand.. crap. We needed to keep him to expose to Seattle.

[jg13]

Hanifin + Bennett + 2nd for Boeser + Virtanen

[bluejays]

I’m very torn on Sam. He was right from the start over rated skill wise his draft year and so the expectations were to the moon before he even began. I think at the time the only thing we were waiting on was for him to put on some muscle.

His true fit does seem now to be a perfect playoff third line player but I really do think there has been mismanagement of him where his confidence has taken major hits. It’s easy to say he should play his way into being on a higher line, but if you’re constantly expected to fail so it’s a check mark off management’s list so they can say they tried and he failed, well, ultimately he’s going to be gripping the stick tight and he’ll fail. Most of us are in the same bucket. Perhaps he doesn’t have the psychological makeup to be more aggressive but frankly management hasn’t handled him well time after time and it’s quite annoying. This year has made it worse where he was among the few that excelled in the playoffs last year, and he was rewarded the fourth line with Lucic. It’s now broken his back and it’s time to do what he should have requested a long time back. He’s not first line material. But he should be on the third line for every NHL team. His career hasn’t quite worked out to his draft position, and that’s a huge miss on most scouts not seeing his lack of skill or hockey sense.