[PGT] Stars 5 Flames 4 (OT)

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dino7c

certain posters only post when something bad happens to the Flames

Jets in 3
Jets in 4
Jets in 5
Stars in 4
Stars in 5
Stars in 6

Usual suspects...one check of post history

Again have an opinion but to say a 2-2 series is over? Why watch/post if its over

A few trolls don't have a team to cheer for, they are just jealous.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I stand by the fact that the penalty calls changed this game.

Two calls late in each of the 1st and 2nd periods (2 minutes left...conveniently), both calls extremely suspicious.

Dallas scores on both power plays.

Then there were 5 straight calls that went against the Flames in the 3rd. I won't complain about the calls because they were all legitimate, but I did notice a few obvious calls that the Flames could have received from the refs, but nothing.

People can talk about how bad the Flames were, but those penalty calls really, really tipped momentum in favor of Dallas. It's easy to feel good about yourself when you're getting chances on the power play. Without that, the Stars had nothing all game long 5 on 5.

Then you get to late in the 3rd, and OT, and the Flames were just gassed from defending for so long. It takes a toll on you, and with no power plays of your own, it's just incredibly hard to tilt the ice back in your favor.

I'm not saying it's all about officiating, but it played a HUGE role in this game. Suspicious calls, timing of calls, and sequence of calls all played into Dallas' favor (all except the obvious goaltender interference call).

The Flames battled hard, but they just didn't have anything left. Going to have to learn from that and find a way to build momentum from a good penalty kill, rather than letting it suck momentum from you.

From the 18 minute mark of the 2nd to the 12 minute mark of the 3rd, the Flames had to kill 10 penalty minutes (10 of the 14 minutes). That's going to drain you and shift momentum for the other team.

And yet, they were still winning the game. They were defending well, but the defensive specialists for the Flames were exhausted from all the PK time. They just had nothing left in the tank at the end, and the Stars were able to take advantage with just 11 seconds left.

Learn from this. Discipline is important. Balanced ice time is a factor for the end of the game, especially when your top defenders are older. Momentum is a big factor in playoff hockey.

[Saint Troy]

What a waste, Talbot was brilliant.

[GranteedEV]

Anyone else concerned about Talbot's workload? 4 games in six nights, including 100+ shot attempts faced today. He's not exactly young...

[CaptainCrunch]

One of the biggest thing that I'm seeing is indecisiveness in what they're doing.



The team that played their system so well in the last series seems to slightly hesitate in this series.


Its really noticeable on the blueline pinches, they're not jumping in very well. Frankly I'd like to see this team playing a more attacking game instead of waiting for the Stars to come to them.


I'd like to see the Edmonton ice crew fired and the building leveled. The ice is atrocious with the puck bouncing all over the place, and frankly maybe they're too stupid to know how a freezer works in terms of freezing pucks.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by browna

Welcome back to many posters we haven't seen since Thursday, or Game 2 vs WPG.

Flames penalty trouble in the third knocked them out of routine and ability to roll lines. That caught up with them when those penalties were killed.

Chances were there for the Flames even in OT, but really, Seguin by a matter of two inches keeping his foot onside and on the ice, the real difference here.

They seem to come out when we lose. Like a bunch of pack animals ready to feast on the dead carcass.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Irrelevant. It’s simply unacceptable to continuously lose games late and make excuses.

YES, EXACTLY!!! Why would anybody continuous to follow and cheer for such team!

[djsFlames]

Nm, not worth it.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

Next game we get to see if this team is really different than previous teams or the same ol' Flames we've come accustom to.

This.

The teams of the last few years fold up the tent and go home after that loss. I hope that’s not the case. The next 2-3 games will set the course for the off season.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I'm not usually someone that blames the referees.

It generally works both ways.

However, 5 straight PP'S for Dallas, some suspect, at least one complete BS (the call on Talbot). Not one makeup. Not one to ensure the calls look even (I disagree that they should look even but thats the way the fame is called).

The officiating was bad this game. I think the lack of makeup was due to the short handed goal, which isn't an excuse.

Dallas got away with a number of calls late. After spending half the period on the PP, that shouldn't have happened.

[Itse]

Overall I thought that was a pretty good game from the Flames.

Very promising to see Gaudreau have some jump and even Monahan being somewhat better. Lindholm is still playing pretty bad though.

Second line didn't have a great game, but then again they were a stick break away from an OT winner so can't be too harsh to them either. Mostly I think it was Mangiapane just having bad decision day and Rieder not being quite at 2nd line level in hockey smarts. Got to love Rieders fighting spirit though.

Bad penalties have been an issue whole series for the Flames. Stupid, unnecessary, careless penalties at bad times, that needs to improve.

Lucic-Bennett-Dube was great once again, could easily have had another goal.

Dallas seems to have finally figured out our PK, which means Ward & co might need to make some adjustments.

You can tell the series is starting to wear on our D. It's been fast and physical and they've been under a lot of pressure. I think they've handled themselves mostly okay though, I don't agree with all the criticism. Dallas was just doing a great job at pressuring us.

It's really tough to predict this series. Wouldn't surprise me if we lost the next two or won them both. These have been close games, with very small things making the difference.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Score & Venue Adjusted, the Flames' numbers against Dallas is still worse across the board compared to Colorado

then that is an indictment on the stats

[AustinL_NHL]

Alan Quine had the best 5v5 xGF% today at 42.16%

Derek Ryan was 2nd at 37.33%.

12 Flames were below 30.00%

"The Flames played a good game today"

[bubbsy]

Man, I can't help but root for Bennett. Awesome interview

[Inferno099]

This is 180 compared to last year notwithstanding today’s result. Last year there was no compete or resilience.
If things are called both ways this was a different result but it is what it is.
This series they still have a chance!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I stand by the fact that the penalty calls changed this game.

Two calls late in each of the 1st and 2nd periods (2 minutes left...conveniently), both calls extremely suspicious.

Dallas scores on both power plays.

Then there were 5 straight calls that went against the Flames in the 3rd. I won't complain about the calls because they were all legitimate, but I did notice a few obvious calls that the Flames could have received from the refs, but nothing.

People can talk about how bad the Flames were, but those penalty calls really, really tipped momentum in favor of Dallas. It's easy to feel good about yourself when you're getting chances on the power play. Without that, the Stars had nothing all game long 5 on 5.

Then you get to late in the 3rd, and OT, and the Flames were just gassed from defending for so long. It takes a toll on you, and with no power plays of your own, it's just incredibly hard to tilt the ice back in your favor.

I'm not saying it's all about officiating, but it played a HUGE role in this game. Suspicious calls, timing of calls, and sequence of calls all played into Dallas' favor (all except the obvious goaltender interference call).

The Flames battled hard, but they just didn't have anything left. Going to have to learn from that and find a way to build momentum from a good penalty kill, rather than letting it suck momentum from you.

From the 18 minute mark of the 2nd to the 12 minute mark of the 3rd, the Flames had to kill 10 penalty minutes (10 of the 14 minutes). That's going to drain you and shift momentum for the other team.

And yet, they were still winning the game. They were defending well, but the defensive specialists for the Flames were exhausted from all the PK time. They just had nothing left in the tank at the end, and the Stars were able to take advantage with just 11 seconds left.

Learn from this. Discipline is important. Balanced ice time is a factor for the end of the game, especially when your top defenders are older. Momentum is a big factor in playoff hockey.

I'm not going to argue the calls on the Flames though 2 or 3 were pretty soft calls. Go back and watch how the Stars play in the neutral zone and in their end. Its hooking and holding and outright tackling, its a 90's era game plan. The fact that the Refs aren't calling the stars is aggravating for me.


I don't lose sleep over wins and losses anymore, I hope the Flames show some drive in the next game. I think they need to play a faster game.


When they do that they get opportunities.



Johnny had his best game in a long time tonight.

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Nm, not worth it.

We got absolutely dominated and Talbot completely stole it?

Or do you think getting out-chanced 27-8 is a reliable way to win hockey games, and not concerning at all?

[genetic_phreek]

I don't buy that we were off our game because of penalties. Penalties happen and usually when you don't have the puck which has been most of the case for the Flames. Constantly chasing and not possessing. Then to sit back in the last 5 mins of the game with a lead is honestly the most frustrating thing to watch. Play like you want to win, instead we play to not lose.

Rieder has been great for killing and I also think he should be kept on the 4th line. Allow Quine who's more offensively minded to ride with 11 and 88. Top line was decent, they might be coming around.

I've never been a fan of Forbort from day 1. Even Gus, does our PP look better with him on it? I was disappointed we acquired both of them. Speaking of D, Gio has looked awful.

This series is not over so anything can happen but honestly Dallas is not a deep team and we are barely hanging on. This is not a good trend.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

From such a high to such a low. The Zerbras can get bent. I'm still pretty happy tho having won all this awesome Flames swag (god I love the Lanny Bobble )

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Man, I can't help but root for Bennett. Awesome interview

Yep. This is him establishing himself. Showing the team that he deserves to be playing higher in the lineup with more talented players.

Awesome step forward for him and this organization.