[News] UPD: Coyotes say Chayka has quit as Coyotes GM

[AC]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I heard Friedman on the radio last week saying he thought they offered Hall $7.5 million but that term was the sticking point.

Yeah he said the same thing on the podcast last week but then clarified this week on his blog that the offer was 5 years, $7.25M from what he can ascertain.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Not sure what you mean? You can always quit, just like you can be fired.

Contracts in sports are different than contracts in other industries. Sports contracts are for fixed duration and fixed dollars. I.e. 4 years at $1.5MM per.

While an owner can relieve a GM of his duties at any time, he still pays out the remainder of the contract, and during that period, the GM cannot work for another team as he is under contract to prior team.

If another team wishes to hire the terminated GM, it is required to get permission from the former team, as the GM is still under contract. He just does not have to perform any services to get paid. The former team almost always says yes, for multiple reasons:
1) If new team hires GM, old team no longer has to pay him as he has mitigated his damages; and
2) Old team may be in the same situation some day, and wants the ability to do so.

For example: Calgary had to, and did, give LA permission to speak to, and hire, Darryl.

Many of these contracts have provisions in them you can leave for an upward move, but not for a lateral move. I.e. AGM to GM. In those instances, there can be time considerations, such as post-draft. This is also often the case when hiring a terminated GM still under contract.

While a GM could quit while under contract, the likelihood of being able to move to the same position with a different club is virtually nil.

[FlamesAddiction]

I suppose the Coyotes are going to want Bettman to decide whether Chayka's move is lateral or not. I am not sure how flexible that definition is. Is it lateral in pay, duties, title, prestige; or a combination of any of those factors?

I could see it being subjective in some situations and what the Coyotes consider upward or lateral, might not be what Chayka or Bettman considers the same. Is there more specific language to define these things?

The Coyotes are Bettman's pet, so I could see him siding with them if there is any legal flexibility for him to do so.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Locke

I hate equating the concept of 'Just Business' as a lack of morals or ethics, but someone apparently came along and made Chayka an offer he couldnt refuse. What do you expect the guy to do? He cant just say no because he made a promise to this billionaire who could fire his ass tomorrow just because he feels like it.

Quoted for truth.

[AC]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1287749361645101056

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

While a GM could quit while under contract, the likelihood of being able to move to the same position with a different club is virtually nil.

That was the point I wanted to make. It's not that a GM "could" quit. They can quit, it's not servitude.

As for the likelihood of making a lateral move for the duration of the original contract being nil, there are instances of clubs working out consideration in such circumstances. Absent that, if a GM resigns you'd need to know the terms of the covenant not to compete. Remember Chayka is no longer being paid by the Coyotes. In your example, the former GM is still under contract.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1287749361645101056

Ah yes, random twitter guy who posts no context whatsoever

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Ah yes, random twitter guy who posts no context whatsoever

But it fits with my view of the situation so I love it!!

Jordan! this thread is better with you as part of it. I hope the Coyotes give the Preds some trouble.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Ah yes, random twitter guy who posts no context whatsoever

I wouldn't call him "random". I actually follow this account.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

But it fits with my view of the situation so I love it!!

Jordan! this thread is better with you as part of it. I hope the Coyotes give the Preds some trouble.

Coyotes/Flames Western Conference Final.

Taylor Hall decides to sign with the Flames who beat his team out in the off season...

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

But it fits with my view of the situation so I love it!!

Jordan! this thread is better with you as part of it. I hope the Coyotes give the Preds some trouble.

Thanks. I'll continue posting - am I being rude to anyone or just providing a general unpopular view point to most users on CP?

Originally Posted by MrMike

Coyotes/Flames Western Conference Final.

Taylor Hall decides to sign with the Flames who beat his team out in the off season...

I accept! this would be great

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I wouldn't call him "random". I actually follow this account.

So the guy is an analyst and data visualization expert.. almost as though Chayka hired him for some analytics modeling/graphic design and didn't pay him? Again, no context at all provided.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Thanks. I'll continue posting - am I being rude to anyone or just providing a general unpopular view point to most users on CP?

You’re not being rude at all from what I see. Certainly taking a bit of an unpopular stance but what’s wrong with that? Just be ready to engage in the discussion which you seem to be. It’s refreshing really.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am sure if it was announced today that Treliving was quitting because he felt he found something better, people were would be pretty choked.

I am a little surprised that Chayka didn't negotiate a start date for at least after the playoffs, and preferably after the draft.

If the offer was a take it now, or it is gone kind of deal, that seems kind of rude. If I was poaching someone, I wouldn't want them to leave their current employer in a tough space.

It makes me think that the owners were doing something Chayka really didn't like and had no problem flipping them the bird on the way out.

[ernie]

Sounds like it was a position within Harris and Blitzer organization that owns the devils, 76ers, Crystal Palace, various other teams and is bidding for an ownership role of the Mets. The position would oversee aspects of this portfolio (a non-GM position).

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1992632

[browna]

Originally Posted by ernie

Sounds like it was a position within Harris and Blitzer organization that owns the devils, 76ers, Crystal Palace, various other teams and is bidding for an ownership role of the Mets. The position would oversee aspects of this portfolio (a non-GM position).

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1992632

Obviously the sides got to know each other in the Hall trade negotiations 8 months back. Besides the erratic timing of just leaving right now, it doesnt help Chayka’s case, and as an owner for ARI, that you the have to wonder at least a bit if the ex GM over paid for said player, and how it all went down. Certainly enough doubt for an owner and executive group, that aren’t hockey people first and foremost, to trust anything the guy is doing.

If Treliving would trade away Gaudreau to the Flyers 8 months before free agency then himself join the Flyers 6 months later, it would be suspicious.

[Brick]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

That's not what he's saying though. He's doesn't seem to be strong in other aspects of the job and statistics will only get you so far. Even when I look at that team now, it looks like an average team at best, that doesn't look very well built.

Sounds familiar.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am sure if it was announced today that Treliving was quitting because he felt he found something better, people were would be pretty choked.

I am a little surprised that Chayka didn't negotiate a start date for at least after the playoffs, and preferably after the draft.

If the offer was a take it now, or it is gone kind of deal, that seems kind of rude. If I was poaching someone, I wouldn't want them to leave their current employer in a tough space.

It makes me think that the owners were doing something Chayka really didn't like and had no problem flipping them the bird on the way out.

Chayka was reportedly willing to wait until after the Playoffs and set a schedule to ease his way out, which the owner was basically like "Let's just play it out and see what happens" rather than agreeing, as if he thought Chayka was going to change his mind or that he could change his mind himself, to which Chayka was annoyed. Then, the final nail in the coffin was Chayka being put on the spot to give his full commitment to the team over a call, which would be both awkward and infuriating.

I have no problem with what Chayka did. Sure, he signed a long-term commitment at the beginning of the season, but he never expected a much better opportunity to come his way that would make his life better and him much happier. He got an offer he couldn't refuse and wanted to take it.

99% of us, if not all of us would do the exact same thing if something incredible came our way

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

99% of us, if not all of us would do the exact same thing if something incredible came our way

I don't think 99% of people would. More than half for sure but some people are more honorable than others when it comes to signing their name on the dotted line. I'm not sure I would have done it if I was deeply committed to the roster I put together wanting to see it through. It's not like NHL GM is a bad gig as these guys all end up very wealthy like players.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think 99% of people would. More than half for sure but some people are more honorable than others when it comes to signing their name on the dotted line. I'm not sure I would have done it if I was deeply committed to the roster I put together wanting to see it through. It's not like NHL GM is a bad gig as these guys all end up very wealthy like players.

Agreed. I doubt I would have done it after signing a new contract. And I know for a fact I wouldn't have lied about why I wanted to speak to the other team.
It's the way he appears to have gone about it that bugs me.
He betrayed the owner and team, so I don't mind them putting him on the spot to show his loyalty or come clean.

You find out your wife is cheating on you and might leave you're going to call her on it.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Agreed. I doubt I would have done it after signing a new contract. And I know for a fact I wouldn't have lied about why I wanted to speak to the other team.
It's the way he appears to have gone about it that bugs me.
He betrayed the owner and team, so I don't mind them putting him on the spot to show his loyalty or come clean.

You find out your wife is cheating on you and might leave you're going to call her on it.

In front of all her friends and colleagues? I guess that's one way to do it.

Chayka doesn't look great here but the organization sure is taking the low road in dealing with it.