[PGT] Flames squander another crucial one. 5-3 VGK

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by AC

Imagine being an adult in Calgary that shows up to a game wearing a Vegas jersey.

Yikes.

Might as well get "Bandwagon" stitched on the back

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The players, at some point, need to take accountability for their own preparation and effort level.

100%.

At the same time, our coaching hires have been horrendous.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by sfpipes

Button ripped Rittich on TSN over the last goal. Called it terrible goaltending. Said he should have been upright and hugging the post. Left too much open up top. Can’t say he’s totally wrong.

On the GWG, Rittich was down in the RVH position, which is pretty standard when someone has a sharp angle like that. It’s vulnerable to the top corner shot, but seals off the bottom of the net. From that distance maybe Rittich is better off staying on his feet, but it literally has to be a perfect shot (or in this case, a perfect deflection) to go in.

[OldSam]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

That’s way too pessimistic view. This is an inexperienced core that has plenty of learning and experience that can be gained. The Flames aren’t in the spot we’d like them to be but do ignore they’ve probably started to play their best in the past two weeks down the stretch vs what happened last year is selling them short,

This is not an inexperienced core. They have been together for long enough to not be struggling with basic plays on a nightly basis. Absolutely there is more effort the last little while. However, the season will be over soon and if they don't start putting consistent 60 minute efforts, they will be packing their stuff and will have to start all over again this fall.

Yay. Another year wasted with this core.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The players, at some point, need to take accountability for their own preparation and effort level.

We'll apparently they are not so what would you do about it?

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The players, at some point, need to take accountability for their own preparation and effort level.

Yeah. It should be that way, and generally that's what you expect. But for some reason, the coaches you generally hold in high regards are those that can motivate their players the best, rather than being the best tactician.

If it was all about making the best systems for the players alone, then player coaches coaches like Gulutzan should have a much stronger resume than they have. Player motivation is a key trait in a good coach. Gotta have the appropriate balance of both.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

On the GWG, Rittich was down in the RVH position, which is pretty standard when someone has a sharp angle like that. It’s vulnerable to the top corner shot, but seals off the bottom of the net. From that distance maybe Rittich is better off staying on his feet, but it literally has to be a perfect shot (or in this case, a perfect deflection) to go in.

It was literally a perfect deflection.

Just ass luck. What more can you make out of it? Even with rittich in that position, you set up that play fifty times and it probably goes in 1 of those 50.

He's not scoring from that angle without Mangiapane's stick being angled exactly as it was to get it through the opening.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by zamler

We'll apparently they are not so what would you do about it?

Change ‘em

[dino7c]

You aren't gonna win or even play well every game... nobody does that even the top teams

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It was literally a perfect deflection.

Just ass luck. What more can you make out of it? Even with rittich in that position, you set up that play fifty times and it probably goes in 1 of those 50.

He's not scoring from that angle without Mangiapane's stick being angled exactly as it was to get it through the opening.

The players have that perspective too.

Mang, Lucic and Gio all mentioned it in their post game remarks

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The players, at some point, need to take accountability for their own preparation and effort level.

What's sad is that as soon as you saw a tough, fast, highly physical and contested game going early in the first, you immediately knew that the flames top line would be complete no shows.

When the going gets tough, monahan and gaudreau peel off.

The players that make up this core aren't the types that can carry a team during spring hockey.

I am past blaming gaudreau and monahan at this point. They are who they are,but they won't win anything in the NHL, at least while playing the roles they have been given here in Calgary.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It was literally a perfect deflection.

Just ass luck. What more can you make out of it? Even with rittich in that position, you set up that play fifty times and it probably goes in 1 of those 50.

He's not scoring from that angle without Mangiapane's stick being angled exactly as it was to get it through the opening.

I’d have to re-watch the replay but I’m pretty sure Mangiapane’s stick isn’t even on the ice — it’s about 3 inches off the ice and the puck hits the toe of his stick. You could try that 500 times and probably not duplicate it.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

What's sad is that as soon as you saw a tough, fast, highly physical and contested game going early in the first, you immediately knew that the flames top line would be complete no shows.

When the going gets tough, monahan and gaudreau peel off.

The players that make up this core aren't the types that can carry a team during spring hockey.

I am past blaming gaudreau and monahan at this point. They are who they are,but they won't win anything in the NHL, at least while playing the roles they have been given here in Calgary.

Coach Ward, seeing a physical game unfolding before his eyes, gives Bennett 8 minutes and Rinaldo less than 5. He really has a feel for the game

[djsFlames]

One things for sure, between the Flames, Oilers and Knights, it most certainly isn't the Flames with the horseshoes.

But maybe that fortune will come back around somewhere down the line to them.

[Saqe]

Rittich wasn't great but Lehner was even worse. Goaltending wasn't the reason they lost.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I will mention that I really didn’t like the stripes

In the 3rd, Vegas could have had at least 4 tripping penalties. Off the top of my head, both Tkachuk and Gaudreau were tripped during board battles, and Rittich was obviously tripped twice as well.

[browna]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

The players have that perspective too.

Mang, Lucic and Gio all mentioned it in their post game remarks

Sure, but Rittich should've had one or both of the first two goals and that would've made just as much of a difference in the final tally.

It's getting far too late in the season worrying about keeping Rittich's spirits up so he doesn't crumble again, which is what this coaching staff seems to be doing.

This team needs wins and this team just looks like plays a bit more confident in front of Talbot since the ASG basically.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Let me just say first that this loss isn't that big of a deal in grand scheme. Flames have had a good stretch of games of late, and just need to the sustain the rate they are on currently. There's gonna be some tight losses, but Flames still control their destiny.

As for the bold. How much more experience does this core need until they are not considered inexperience anymore? They've been around for several years, majority entering, within, or post their peak phase, and have been in the playoffs two times as a group as a whole, and three for some others in this 'build' phase.

This is not an inexperience core anymore. They have experience. They've just haven't gotten far.

I think you answered your own question. As you point out, they haven’t gotten far.......so until they do, they should be able to learn and grow from learning opportunities. Which was the point i was responding too.

Although you don’t say it, the undertone of your post seems to suggest this team should be beyond needing learn at thus point. If that’s the case you and I are simply in disagreement on that. I don’t think this core’s window started before last year, and any success they had prior was simply gravy. I think to many on here think once your window starts, that means no more lessons to learn and you simply contend. Pretty rare tgat happens. How many lessons did the last two cup champions learn before actually winning? Countless as far as I can tell. And by no means am I saying the Flames are going to win the cup this year, but the point that there was a lot of pain and lessons learnt by the Caps and Blues prior to winning remains.

[calumniate]

I'd take Leah hextall commentary with ball pbp 100%. Hrudey has been absent lately. Cassie is fine but zero personality or any funny bone. I think Rick and Leah would be epic!

[Samonadreau]

This game is by no means all on Ritter, especially that last goal, but the time to run with Talbot is now.