[PGT] Broons 4 Flams 3

[Redrum]

Meh, with 20 games left there's still a lot of time for things to move around. I kind of wish we would be able to sell Hammer at the deadline, but as long as we aren't buyers...

[Torchdemall]

I was thoroughly entertained. Two good clubs put on a hell of hockey match, and that is what you pay for. Really not any reason to get too worked being beat "barely" by the best team in the league.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Why?

Hartley, Gully, Peters, and now Ward.

A cup champ, young and fresh, a hardass, a career coach.

What’s been missing that gets fixed in the bench?

This argument just doesn’t hold water for me.

Ramo, Hiller, Elliott, Smith. Well we tried 4 goalies and none of them were a good starter. Guess the problem can’t be goaltending!

There are some top tier coaches sitting on the sidelines right now. Throw enough money at them and get one behind the bench.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Bennett has been really good since the all-star break. Exciting to think he and Dube could form another duo for us.

Yeah Bennett looked good tonight, was flying out there and engaged all night. He has been good lately would be nice to see him pot a few even though personally I’m not a big fan, unless it’s playoffs but that’s mainly because the refs put their whistles away so his brain dead penalties evaporate and he’s free to be the Doug Gilmore hopeful we all wanted on that one fateful draft day.

One thing I have noticed is the teams passing is like... F- bad. It’s been like that for awhile and it just destroys speed. Breakouts, gaining the zone with speed, neutral zone pace and ultimately offensive zone chances that could be all struggle because as a team they can’t move the puck very well. It’s like they’re all one step behind the play when it comes time to move the puck.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah Bennett looked good tonight, was flying out there and engaged all night. He has been good lately would be nice to see him pot a few even though personally I’m not a big fan, unless it’s playoffs but that’s mainly because the refs put their whistles away so his brain dead penalties evaporate and he’s free to be the Doug Gilmore hopeful we all wanted on that one fateful draft day.

One thing I have noticed is the teams passing is like... F- bad. It’s been like that for awhile and it just destroys speed. Breakouts, gaining the zone with speed, neutral zone pace and ultimately offensive zone chances that could be all struggle because as a team they can’t move the puck very well. It’s like they’re all one step behind the play when it comes time to move the puck.

I agree about the passing. Just off every time, making the recipient stop or miss entirely.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Who was the last 1C we had?

Nieuwendyk and Gilmour. It’s been almost 30 years.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Voodooman

Difference between having an NHL caliber coach, and whatever this garbage fire of a joke the Flames have is. Boston plays a system, the Flames pray for rain.

Hire a coach. Do it now.

No, the difference is the Bruins have a much, much, much better team. Better players, more depth, better goaltending.......they're just better everywhere.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Here's a fun stat

Kylington - Brodie - 89.83% xGF (3:13)
Brodie - Stone - 37.19% xGF (16:28)

I don’t know what this means.

[Manhattanboy]

Was at the game. So apparently we set a franchise record for the fastest 3 goals to start a game. That’s nice.

Thereafter, with the exception of a few minutes, I thought the Flames looked slow and sloppy. Missed passes. Dump and chase and lose the race. No structure in the defensive zone. The effort was there but the execution looked like a pre season game.

Our poor play made Boston look even better. Honestly I thought Boston was not even playing close to their full potential.

This team needs a quality coach with a decent system

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

You are probably right. However, there are some strong coaching candidates available right now. I am not even considering them as 'season saviours', but it wouldn't be the worst move to go with someone more proven and have that first-hand intimate knowledge of the team before now and the last game they play for the season (including playoffs, if they end up making it).


Why? Perhaps that coach can get a better feel for which players slot better in his line-up, can start figuring out a better system to use the existing strengths of this team, and provide feedback to Treliving on who he really wants to keep on the roster, and who he sees as more expendable to use as assets to upgrade/patch-up the roster.


I don't think it will happen either, but if I am a GM and I have made two poor coaching decisions in a row with an associate coach who I felt wasn't even as good of a candidate as one of the poor coaches I have hired...



Getting the right coach for your team isn't easy. Darryl Sutter was horrible at it. Treliving seems horrible at it too. I think it cost Darryl his GM position in the end, and I think it will end up costing Treliving his position as well.


Like I said, I don't think it will happen either, but I think it is probably a good gamble to take at this moment to try and get more consistency out of this core for the rest of the season, but I do think it would help get this team out of the gate quicker next year (rather than trying to learn a brand new system) and hopefully providing Brad with a better 'pulse' on the roster and what moves he needs to make in the off-season.

Making another coaching change this late in the season would set this team back. We don't have time or games to be learning a new system. Like it or not this team sinks or swims with Ward as the Head Coach.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah Bennett looked good tonight, was flying out there and engaged all night. He has been good lately would be nice to see him pot a few even though personally I’m not a big fan, unless it’s playoffs but that’s mainly because the refs put their whistles away so his brain dead penalties evaporate and he’s free to be the Doug Gilmore hopeful we all wanted on that one fateful draft day.

One thing I have noticed is the teams passing is like... F- bad. It’s been like that for awhile and it just destroys speed. Breakouts, gaining the zone with speed, neutral zone pace and ultimately offensive zone chances that could be all struggle because as a team they can’t move the puck very well. It’s like they’re all one step behind the play when it comes time to move the puck.

F+

[Mr.Coffee]

I’d also like to know what timeouts did to Ward as a child.

It’s okay coach, you’re not initiating the nuke launch sequence, you can give the top line a rest when you’re down 1 with 1 minute left.

[Manhattanboy]

Another six weeks of Ward and he will be quietly forgotten.

Hopefully they hire a proven head coach.

[FireGilbert]

Tough one. The Bruins got more of the bounces and locked it down when it counted. If a great team gets off to a slow start and gives you a 2 goal lead you have to take advantage.

[Dion]

An indication the Bruins are on a different level than the Flames

“That’s what good teams are able to do,” said Flames interim coach Geoff Ward, who spent several years coaching a beasty Bruins team that won the Cup in 2011.

“I was talking to some of the (Bruins) walking by and they were saying, ‘We thought this could get out of control after 10 minutes.’ But they were able to get themselves back on track pretty quickly. Once they were able to tie the game and get the lead you saw how tight they played.”

“It was 3-1 with 55 minutes left, so there’s basically the whole game there – you can’t take it for granted there even though it’s nice to got off to a good start,” said Tkachuk.

“Then they got three unanswered goals there. They’re a dangerous team, but I thought the first five minutes – except for the goal we gave them – we played with a lot of energy in the building, we played smart, we played in their face and didn’t over-respect them.”

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...control-games/

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by 81MC

I must be a total homer, I thought that was a pretty close game? Bruins had the edge for half of the first, otherwise I thought the flames played pretty well. Let’s not forget, Boston is looking like Cup favourites right now. Not sure the flames loooked anywhere near as bad as some make it sound.

I don't know who to believe when I fcome in here after only catching a small part of the game.

Some go full suicide booth. Make it sound all horrible, like all hope is lost, every one is terrible. Yet I see 4-3 against one of the top 3-4 teams in the league, not many shots allowed and I'm like..is it really as bad as these ones are making it out to be?

Its also not great cause we desperately needed to find a way to collect points and couldn't.

A shrug would describe it best probably. It is what it is. We're in no man's land with a not perfect roster but some really good pieces still, but maybe a coaching system that doesn't get the most out of them, but we don't want to spend for a coach, and we aren't being active with trades to improve cause I guess Lindholm trades don't come around very often.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I don't know who to believe when I fcome in here after only catching a small part of the game.

Some go full suicide booth. Make it sound all horrible, like all hope is lost, every one is terrible. Yet I see 4-3 against one of the top 3-4 teams in the league, not many shots allowed and I'm like..is it really as bad as these ones are making it out to be?

Its also not great cause we desperately needed to find a way to collect points and couldn't.

A shrug would describe it best probably. It is what it is. We're in no man's land with a not perfect roster but some really good pieces still, but maybe a coaching system that doesn't get the most out of them, but we don't want to spend for a coach, and we aren't being active with trades to improve cause I guess Lindholm trades don't come around very often.

Some where in between is the truth.

[WhiteTiger]

The inconsistency still bothers me. If the Flames put in this kind of effort most of the time, no problem. They are showing they can run with the big dogs. But then we get the games where it looks like not one of them knows how to play hockey...and you NEVER know what team is going to show up. So frustrating.

[Poe969]

They almost beat the best team in the league, that's pretty much Flames win...just like almost winning the cup or almost winning a playoff round or almost making the playoffs. Almost winning is what the Flames do, it could be their slogan for the past 25 years or so. It has a pretty good ring to it.

Calgary Flames, celebrating 25 years of almost.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Poe969

They almost beat the best team in the league, that's pretty much Flames win...just like almost winning the cup or almost winning a playoff round or almost making the playoffs. Almost winning is what the Flames do, it could be their slogan for the past 25 years or so. It has a pretty good ring to it.

Calgary Flames, celebrating 25 years of almost.

That is the frustrating part and then you have fans who actually think that if you threw in the towel on an almost winning season this year to try to actually build towards a Stanley Cup champion that Tkachuk would remember 36 months later and refuse to sign with the Flames and year UFA instead. I think building a winner would be a more attractive to players like Tkachuk longterm.

Flames have the 9th best winning percentage in the western conference. The Wild are knocking on the door to pass them for 9th. They are part of a 5 or 6 team battle for 3 playoff spots and they are probably going to take a pass on adding some significant assets to the organization at the deadline. All so we can squeak in and maybe lay a beating on the St. Louis Blues in the first round.