Treliving

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Which is why the Flames need to cut ties with this guy asap. Not only does it look terrible the longer it drags on, but it creates more and more distraction for the players, coaches etc.

You'd also hope a swift, decisive termination, regardless of the cost will send a strong message to people like Aliu that they can come forward and deter future incidents from occurring.

There's a process involved in any termination that you go through to protect yourself and your company.
That's what's happening here. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Which is why the Flames need to cut ties with this guy asap. Not only does it look terrible the longer it drags on, but it creates more and more distraction for the players, coaches etc.

You'd also hope a swift, decisive termination, regardless of the cost will send a strong message to people like Aliu that they can come forward and deter future incidents from occurring.

Longer this drags on? It hasn't been 24 hours yet. Let's keep this alleged "crime" in perspective here. If true, of course he needs to go. The organization is following proper legal procedures. It's not going to do anything stupid simply to "send a strong message". The Flames aren't some public service organization that owes people something.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Not only in hockey, but in the rest of the world companies hire racists, bullies and other flawed characters all the time.
You do your best not to. But hiring isn't a slam dunk.
What matters is what you do when the truth is revealed.

Do they usually hire guys who are physically abusive to their subordinates as well? I always found it shocking that Peters 137 wins and 191 losses over 4 years caught Brad’s eye, but I think a background check from former players would be something one may consider when hiring a coach to coach players .

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Do they usually hire guys who are physically abusive to their subordinates as well? I always found it shocking that Peters 137 wins and 191 losses over 4 years caught Brad’s eye, but I think a background check from former players would be something one may consider when hiring a coach to coach players .

How many players do GMs talk to before hiring a coach? I'm being serious, I have no idea. Lots? None? Maybe he talked to some players that liked Peters and had no issues with him. I really have no idea what BTs process was in the hiring, but I'm not going to blast him until we know some facts.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

How many players do GMs talk to before hiring a coach? I'm being serious, I have no idea. Lots? None? Maybe he talked to some players that liked Peters and had no issues with him. I really have no idea what BTs process was in the hiring, but I'm not going to blast him until we know some facts.

I would suggest it would be prudent in the future. That being said, hiring a guy who won less than 42% of the games he coached always seemed questionable to me.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Do they usually hire guys who are physically abusive to their subordinates as well? I always found it shocking that Peters 137 wins and 191 losses over 4 years caught Brad’s eye, but I think a background check from former players would be something one may consider when hiring a coach to coach players .

Still waiting for an explanation on this.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would suggest it would be prudent in the future. That being said, hiring a guy who won less than 42% of the games he coached always seemed questionable to me.

But maybe he was prudent this time? Maybe he talked to many in the hockey world and none had a problem with Peters or didn't want to offer anything up. Not sure what else BT could do in that scenario. He wanted the coach, possibly didn't hear anything negative about him, they hire him. In that case I'm not sure what BT could have done differently. Now, if he did indeed hear whispers and still went ahead with the hire then that's a whole new ball of wax.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would suggest it would be prudent in the future. That being said, hiring a guy who won less than 42% of the games he coached always seemed questionable to me.

It didn't look at all questionable when this team notched 50 wins last year. I think Treliving believed he was getting an emerging top NHL coach, and the results from last year seemed to confirm that.

No doubt, this should cause a complete overhaul for how personnel are evaluated and vetted in the future—not just for the Flames, but for every NHL team.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

How many players do GMs talk to before hiring a coach? I'm being serious, I have no idea. Lots? None? Maybe he talked to some players that liked Peters and had no issues with him. I really have no idea what BTs process was in the hiring, but I'm not going to blast him until we know some facts.

I would guess GMs and their AGMs speak to the players they know that also have ties to the coach. So in this case Treliving probably would have talked to guys like Versteeg, Lack and Bollig. Conroy would have talked to guys like Stempniak and Pascall guys he knew through Hockey Canada.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by zamler

Still waiting for an explanation on this.

The Hurricanes refused to spend money to improve their team. That is pretty obvious.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by zamler

Still waiting for an explanation on this.

He won 137 games, he lost 191 games. That was his record in Carolina.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

Still waiting for an explanation on this.

The story of how Peters came to Treliving's attention and what happened afterwards is pretty well known. I'm sure Peters had an explanation for the record in his interview.

[Jiri Hrdina]

An interesting wrinkle in this is if people think Francis had any obligation to tell a fellow GM what was going on or past complaints.
If someone calls me about a past employee I give an authentic overview (the good and the bad) out of respect to a fellow employer.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

An interesting wrinkle in this is if people think Francis had any obligation to tell a fellow GM what was going on or past complaints.
If someone calls me about a past employee I give an authentic overview (the good and the bad) out of respect to a fellow employer.

No conflict either, as Francis was not working for any team at that point if I recall.

Do we know that Francis didn't tell Treliving? Another interesting wrinkle. If Francis didn't feel it necessary to act, would another GM feel differently?

[Aarongavey]

Back to Treliving, I think if ownership took away his ability to hire head coaches or sign UFA’s, along with letting Button run the draft, the Flames could have a good situation with him as GM.

[PepsiFree]

Yeah, I'm not sure it matters what communication there was between Francis and Treliving, because up until a week ago this sort of stuff was a hidden and accepted part of the NHL's culture. I think the issue extends far beyond Treliving, Peters, Francis, Babcock, etc.

If we do down this rabbit hole, I would not be surprised if it is very, very deep.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

The Hurricanes refused to spend money to improve their team. That is pretty obvious.

So you're saying Rod the Bod is the best coach in all the land?

[GullFoss]

I'm starting to think that Tre has to answer some serious questions. He interviewed 0 other coaching candidates before hiring Peters. So presumably, he did a lot of due diligence on the guy he did hire.

And some how, he ended up hiring an allegedly racist coach who allegedly likes to kick his players and also punch them in the back.

If you only get character references from people who will give him glowing reviews, what's the point of even doing them. How many ex-players did he call from the Ice Hogs or Carolina? Sounds like zero.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Back to Treliving, I think if ownership took away his ability to hire head coaches or sign UFA’s, along with letting Button run the draft, the Flames could have a good situation with him as GM.

Come on, that's a ridiculous scenario.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I'm starting to think that Tre has to answer some serious questions. He interviewed 0 other coaching candidates before hiring Peters. So presumably, he did a lot of due diligence on the guy he did hire.

And some how, he ended up hiring an allegedly racist coach who allegedly likes to kick his players and also punch them in the back.

If you only get character references from people who will give him glowing reviews, what's the point of even doing them. How many ex-players did he call from the Ice Hogs or Carolina? Sounds like zero.

You are assuming that Treliving was acting out of character for an NHL executive. I am sure he did his due diligence—insofar as any GM would do in his vetting process of a coaching candidate.

The problem is NOT Treliving. It's the NHL; it's hockey. Certainly, he should have to answer questions for his part in employing Bill Peters, and I would hope that Treliving is part of the solution moving forward. But to foist upon him the responsibility for what is a deeply entrenched issue that extends far into the guts of the League is not fair.