[News] Flames buyout Michael Stone's contract after clearing waivers

[keenan87]

This is a really bad off-season for the Flames. Treliving should be fired for this entire mess. All of the buyouts, Lucic, Frolik -- It did not take long for this team to be crushed by the cap without even winning anything.

Add this to doing really nothing to figure out the collapse last season. Quite frankly, I think he waited too long to make the necessary changes to fix the cap situation. Incredibly disappointed. I would demote Treliving to AGM in charge of RFA contracts and then bring in someone reliable for other facets.

[Heavy Jack]

Big time over reaction in that post; we’ve basically traded Neal for Lucic which can’t be any worse than having Neal last year and we’ll be graduating youth like Dube, Valimaki, Mangiapane to full time. We were the 2nd place team last year and 2.67 dead cap space while not ideal isn’t nearly the end of the world like your making it out to be.

Edit: Really only his UFA skills have been questionable; it seems you’ve already forgotten how well we’ve drafted under Treliving and trades like the Lindholm/Hanifin blockbuster from last year. I’m perfectly fine with how Treliving has been managing this team especially after inheriting a mess from Feaster.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Big time over reaction in that post; we’ve basically traded Neal for Lucic which can’t be any worse than having Neal last year and we’ll be graduating youth like Dube, Valimaki, Mangiapane to full time. We were the 2nd place team last year and 2.67 dead cap space while not ideal isn’t nearly the end of the world like your making it out to be.

I don't mind the Lucic trade because he had no other choice. That being said, you need to be kidding me if you don't think his 5+ mil salary isn't pretty much equivalent to dead space.

Dratting? Button is in charge of that and drafting started changing around when Sutter left.

Yeah, that one trade worked out.. but there are other trades that have been useless... and you using "questionable" for his UFA deals is pretty homerish. It's been downright atrocious.

[Heavy Jack]

I’m not kidding you because I’m willing to actually see how lucic performs for the team before making such a definitive opinion on it. If he ends up out pacing what Neal gave us last year it’s already a win and I don’t think 20+ points is much to ask for. I’d rather be paying Lucic 5.25 versus paying 6.5 (essentially) for Neal’s services full stop.

I think Lucic is going to add an element of play that will allow other players to play their game that much more; we were pushed around by guys like Zadarov in the playoffs and you’ve got to be kidding me if you think adding Lucic does nothing to addressing that issue.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Maybe we will play with an 18 man lineup like in 2009?

If it means twice as much Giordano and Gaudreau, that can only be a good thing!

#McDaviding

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Sorry, I thought it was obvious I was joking.

Yeah wasn't sure.

Thought an assumption of that would look catty in my response.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I’m not kidding you because I’m willing to actually see how lucic performs for the team before making such a definitive opinion on it. If he ends up out pacing what Neal gave us last year it’s already a win and I don’t think 20+ points is much to ask for. I’d rather be paying Lucic 5.25 versus paying 6.5 (essentially) for Neal’s services full stop.

I think Lucic is going to add an element of play that will allow other players to play there game that much more; we were pushed around by guys like Zadarov in the playoffs and you’ve got to be kidding me if you think adding Lucic does nothing to addressing that issue.

I have liked the trade myself but you are putting a pretty positive spin on it. I am curious what you would have thought a few days prior to the trade.

Regardless, Lucic is not a 5.25 million dollar player no matter how you spin it. He should be a max 2.5 million player at this stage of his career.. which means that the Flames are paying an extra 3.0 mil for a big guy who can hit only because they #### the bed on Neal. The overpayment is because Treliving signed Neal.. hence why Lucic adds to extra dead space that could have been used elsewhere.

Oh, an extra $2.6 mil might not mean much to you.. but I can guarantee you the Flames would love to have that money back so they can sign Tkachuk.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by keenan87

This is a really bad off-season for the Flames. Treliving should be fired for this entire mess. All of the buyouts, Lucic, Frolik -- It did not take long for this team to be crushed by the cap without even winning anything.

I'm not gonna pretend to be a Tre fanboy, but so far he haan't done the many idiotic things proposed by the fanbass (i.e. sell our #2D for pennies on the dollar for cap space or trade Bennett for Pulujarvi).

Now if he does those things he needs to GTFO.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I'm not gonna pretend to be a Tre fanboy, but so far he haan't done the many idiotic things proposed by the fanbass (i.e. sell our #2D for pennies on the dollar for cap space or trade Bennett for Pulujarvi).

Now if he does those things he needs to GTFO.

Let's see what he ends up doing.. I might be wrong but I have a feeling we are definitely heading towards trading Brodie for pennies on the dollar.

[Strange Brew]

If you do not want to sell low on an asset, then needing a 21 man roster to get under the cap is a bad idea. Two guys get minor injuries in game 1, and now you can’t ice a full NHL squad. Talk about being backed into a corner.

No one can be really serious about this.

[Heavy Jack]

Do I love the trade? No. Do I want either Neal or Lucic at their current costs? No. Do I think we have a better fit with Lucic at what we’re paying him versus Neal and what Edmonton is paying for him? Yep. Do I think this should cost Treliving his job? Big no and that’s really why I’m responding as such. Can we just allow the actual metrics present themselves before making such absolute judgements on it? We have Lucic at what we are paying him for and nothing will change that so might as well allow him a chance to prove himself knowning that we will he overpaying him pretty much no matter what. At least we finally have some true muscle on the team to protect the superstars.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I don't mind the Lucic trade because he had no other choice. That being said, you need to be kidding me if you don't think his 5+ mil salary isn't pretty much equivalent to dead space.

Dratting? Button is in charge of that and drafting started changing around when Sutter left.

Yeah, that one trade worked out.. but there are other trades that have been useless... and you using "questionable" for his UFA deals is pretty homerish. It's been downright atrocious.

Have you generally not liked any general managers in Calgary?

I ask that because I do think that animal exists out there, people that just don't like GMs. I get it, as they all make mistakes .. the good ones manage the downside and do more right than wrong by a margin that makes people comfortable.

I thought Fletcher was strong.
Risebrough over his head
Coates a custodian in a difficult time
Button over his head at a tough time as well
Sutter great at first and then chaos
Feaster was an era that made me nervous

Treliving to me, makes me more comfortable than I've been since the early 90s.

[Heavy Jack]

Nailed it Bingo, my thoughts exactly.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Have you generally not liked any general managers in Calgary?

I ask that because I do think that animal exists out there, people that just don't like GMs. I get it, as they all make mistakes .. the good ones manage the downside and do more right than wrong by a margin that makes people comfortable.

I thought Fletcher was strong.
Risebrough over his head
Coates a custodian in a difficult time
Button over his head at a tough time as well
Sutter great at first and then chaos
Feaster was an era that made me nervous

Treliving to me, makes me more comfortable than I've been since the early 90s.

Quite frankly, I dont hate Treliving but feel that people on here overrate him substantially. I think if Treliving was the GM of the Oilers, right now we would have a bunch of posts in the "no good tread" talking about his atrocious signings.

He came in and started off well. However, i personally think that he is grasping at straws right now to try and get out of this cap situation (waited too long to make the necessary moves). This is usually when most GMs make some really dumb moves when their back is up against the wall and I would be more comfortable bringing in someone else than a Sutter situation all over again when he left with some horrendous deals.

Every GM has a shelf life imo. It is important to realize that before it is too late. I am just suggesting that people give him way too much crediit when really this cap situation is because of his own decisions (some really bad ones)

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Quite frankly, I dont hate Treliving but feel that people on here overrate him substantially. I think if Treliving was the GM of the Oilers, right now we would have a bunch of posts in the "no good tread" talking about his atrocious signings.

It’s well established that a Flames fans don’t like Edmonton.

It’s also unsurprising that fans of teams dislike rival teams.

This comparison is nonsensical and comes up far to often on CP.

Of course we wouldn’t like Treliving if he was GM of the Oilers.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It’s well established that a Flames fans don’t like Edmonton.

It’s also unsurprising that fans of teams dislike rival teams.

This comparison is nonsensical and comes up far to often on CP.

Of course we wouldn’t like Treliving if he was GM of the Oilers.

Soo you think all of the jokes about Chiarelli were just overblown because we are fans of a rival team and he was probably a really good GM? I guess I was out of the loop as it was just Flames fans being showing rivalry!

I am sorry if I am overreacting but I am just getting really freaking tired of these buyouts and non-tradable contracts.

[Heavy Jack]

Also I think the Oilers would be better positioned with Treliving managing the team the last 4 or 5 years versus Charelli. Hall is definitely still an Oiler no doubt if he was there.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I don't mind the Lucic trade because he had no other choice. That being said, you need to be kidding me if you don't think his 5+ mil salary isn't pretty much equivalent to dead space.

Dratting? Button is in charge of that and drafting started changing around when Sutter left.

Yeah, that one trade worked out.. but there are other trades that have been useless... and you using "questionable" for his UFA deals is pretty homerish. It's been downright atrocious.

Atrocious?

Good/great deals:
Derek Ryan (2018)
Michael Frolik (2015)
Deryk Engelland (2014)
David Rittich (2016)

Average deals:
Jonas Hiller (2014)
Austin Czarnik (2018)
Chad Johnson (2016)

Bad deals:
Troy Brouwer (2016)
James Neal (2018)
Mason Raymond (2014)

There are other deals that have been pretty inconsequential, but to call this atrocious is to not really be paying attention around the league.

James Neal was his biggest failure with Troy Brouwer being a close 2nd, but Tree learned from the Troy ordeal and didn't want to go down a 2nd year with Neal. Make the judgement that the player isn't a fit and move on.

[Toonage]

If Treliving is GM of the Oilers I'm betting Ron MacLean is drunk off his ass celebrating the 4th Oiler cup. /s ?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Quite frankly, I dont hate Treliving but feel that people on here overrate him substantially. I think if Treliving was the GM of the Oilers, right now we would have a bunch of posts in the "no good tread" talking about his atrocious signings.

Second place over all and a "should be fired" take... hmmm, what's the opposite of "overrate him substantially"?