[Rumour] McKenzie: "conceivable" that James Neal could be moved. Lots of TJ Brodie trade talk

[Jiri Hrdina]

This is a question that I suspect folks wont like - but how different are Kadri's antics compared to Tkachuk? How much would we hate Tkachuk if he wasn't a Flame
Kadri is a really good 2 way player. He also plays with the type of edge this team lacks
One has to decide if those benefits and filling those gaps on the team are worth taking on a guy that sometimes goes over the line
But finding guys that can toe that edge precisely and consistently is hard.

[bax]

Kadri plays a gritty two way game and is relied on to check other team's top lines. His defensive skill will take some of the load off Backlund- allowing him more freedom offensively. Kadri's offensive game would take some of the pressure off of the top line to produce every single game- he would be a huge boost to our secondary scoring.

Add in the fact Kadri is tough to play against, a pest, and on a sweetheart deal and it's basically a perfect fit for improving our forward group.

Kadri's give a crap meter is always maxed out- something this team could use more of. He has displayed he has a difficult time finding that line as he has crossed it on multiple occasions, but that's still a gamble I take every day and twice on Sunday's.

As for the throat slashing gesture? Emotion's run high- it's water under the bridge- no Flames fans wanted him banished from the league.

If the players were mic'd up you could hear that they say things to each other that are much, much worse than a gesture. It comes with the game. By all accounts his Toronto teammates love him as well.

[Ashasx]

Tkachuk doesn't say and act like a clown. He doesn't whine to the refs.

Tkachuk plays on the edge. Kadri acts it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This is a question that I suspect folks wont like - but how different are Kadri's antics compared to Tkachuk? How much would we hate Tkachuk if he wasn't a Flame
Kadri is a really good 2 way player. He also plays with the type of edge this team lacks
One has to decide if those benefits and filling those gaps on the team are worth taking on a guy that sometimes goes over the line
But finding guys that can toe that edge precisely and consistently is hard.

The difference I see—and it’s a big one—is the intent to injure. Kadri has been suspended for some awful, extremely dangerous hits and plays. Tkachuk doesn’t really have that element in his game where other players fear for their own safety when he is on the ice.


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[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This probably means that you are a lost cause.


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You sound like my therapist.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

You sound like my therapist.

Maybe I am? My invoice for this session is in the mail.


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[Rando]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This is a question that I suspect folks wont like - but how different are Kadri's antics compared to Tkachuk? How much would we hate Tkachuk if he wasn't a Flame
Kadri is a really good 2 way player. He also plays with the type of edge this team lacks
One has to decide if those benefits and filling those gaps on the team are worth taking on a guy that sometimes goes over the line
But finding guys that can toe that edge precisely and consistently is hard.

Tkachuk isn't the hothead that Kadri is, that's where he has the advantage.

As for Kadri, I'd take him 100%. Especially for this team. We need more players who will drag others into the fight.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Tkachuk doesn't say and act like a clown. He doesn't whine to the refs.

Tkachuk plays on the edge. Kadri acts it.

That’s just being wilfully dishonest with yourself. We’ve all seen Tkachuk dive, embellish, sell garbage to the refs, and generally act like a clown from time to time. The only real difference between their clown antics is that Tkachuk pretends like he isn’t doing it (which seems to drive other teams even crazier).

Tkachuk is no different than the Marchands and Kadris of the league in terms of how he treats “the edge.” People hate Marchand and Kadri because they aren’t on our team, people love Tkachuk because he is. That’s the difference.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s just being wilfully dishonest with yourself. We’ve all seen Tkachuk dive, embellish, sell garbage to the refs, and generally act like a clown from time to time. The only real difference between their clown antics is that Tkachuk pretends like he isn’t doing it (which seems to drive other teams even crazier).

Tkachuk is no different than the Marchands and Kadris of the league in terms of how he treats “the edge.” People hate Marchand and Kadri because they aren’t on our team, people love Tkachuk because he is. That’s the difference.

Tkachuk owns up to his mistakes. After his two suspensions, he's made a big effort to make it known that he's working on improving.

Kadri and Marchand don't have that same kind of remorse. Tkachuk is complimentary to his opponents while Marchand and and Kadri talk them down.

The only similarities are their on ice play, but Tkachuk himself is quite quiet.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Sure Kadri is a bit of a ###### sometimes, but if he was our ######, I think people around here would mind much less.
I personally think he would be a great addition and would go a long way in establishing a second scoring line

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s just being wilfully dishonest with yourself. We’ve all seen Tkachuk dive, embellish, sell garbage to the refs, and generally act like a clown from time to time. The only real difference between their clown antics is that Tkachuk pretends like he isn’t doing it (which seems to drive other teams even crazier).

Tkachuk is no different than the Marchands and Kadris of the league in terms of how he treats “the edge.” People hate Marchand and Kadri because they aren’t on our team, people love Tkachuk because he is. That’s the difference.

I dont necessarily agree with all of this, I'd liken Tkatchuk more to Marchand than Kadri.

Specifically, they know what they're doing and they toe that line. I genuinely think there are moments when Kadri just 'sees red' and loses it which is not how I'd characterize Chucky or Marchand.

Which isnt ideal, but hes still a hell of a player that would be a good fit on this team for the right price.

This team's intensity has to go up a few notches. I have no doubt it was thought that James Neal would help in that arena but he failed at that too.

[mrdonkey]

There’s a difference between clowns like Wilson, Cooke, and Torres, and clowns like Perry, Marchand, and Tkachuk.

I don’t think Kadri belongs in that first group. He’s maybe closer to Burrows in his prime. Yes he’s a dbag but he’s a dbag who can win you games and get the other team off their game.

[devo22]

for some reason I thought Kadris cap hit was higher than 4.5m. Not too bad actually.

[Oling_Roachinen]

He can also cost you games with his antics. He was just as much a hindrance in the playoffs as he was an asset. Not particularly something you want from a player making 4.5M and (likely) put in an important position on your team.

[VilleN]

I really think the big difference between Kadri and Tkachuk is control. Tkachuk is a calculated pest. He seems to know exactly what he's doing when he does it. You can often watch him in an altercation, not talking or chirping but simply smiling... then he'll do something like tap the guy with his stick and hope it pushes him to take a penalty... possibly even on the next play.

With Kadri, it seems like he has a bad temper and has a hard time controlling it. Kadri doesn't want to be suspended in the playoffs, his emotions are simply not under his control. Having said that, that passion and intensity are often good qualities and you'd take that type of emotion over an emotionless, passionless player.

[habernac]

not nearly as reckless as Kadri. Not as dumb as Ratface.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Kadri draws a heck of a lot more penalties than he takes, and his "antics" generally improve the bottom line for the hockey club he plays for.

He's quite undervalued compared to his contract, and would be a costly add for any club. Toronto would be moving him because they have bigger fish to fry long term and likely cant work him into their long term cap considerations at a UFA price on the decline phase of his career.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

He can also cost you games with his antics. He was just as much a hindrance in the playoffs as he was an asset. Not particularly something you want from a player making 4.5M and (likely) put in an important position on your team.

Yeah, that's the part that gives me pause. Adding Kadri would be a big risk—it might be worth taking, but it possibly could be detrimental at the worst time. There is no clear path forward here, which means that such an acquisition will be highly controversial.

[bax]

I'll just say I prefer the depth of Monahan, Kadri, Backlund, Ryan a heck of a lot more than Monahan, Backlund, Ryan, Jankowski.

[Fan in Exile]

There is such a thing as nuance. Marchand is a great player and a trashy human being. Nothing Tkachuk has ever done compares to Marchand's worst crap like licking people's faces, taking cheapshots at people's nuts, sneaky unnecessary attempts to injure with slewfoots, his attitudes in interviews, etc. He's Sean Avery with much more skill. I infer that his behaviour on ice continues off it.

Kadri is a hothead. He can't control himself and gets wrapped up in getting a guy back which is dangerous both to other players and his team because he risks major penalties and major suspensions. I've seen nothing to suggest he will now be able to reign that in.

Tkachuk needles his opponents and gets them upset. That's an annoying trait and one of the things you hate about Marchand, Kadri, Burrows, etc. from other teams but I don't think he's a dangerous player. I see why he annoys other teams and other players but I don't think he's dirty or out of control.

Having said all that, I'm on the fence about Kadri. Good player but really can't be trusted. He's like a Raffi Torres. Good player if he can control himself but another suspension or two and his career is done.