[Rumour] TSN: Flames will inquire about re-acquiring Ferland

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

I agree almost completely.

The only thing I would add is that Czarnik, Mangipane and to an extent Ryan (although he wins draws) and Dube aren't cut out for playoff hockey. The game is physical and we need a physical threat so that Johnny doesn't get his wrists slashed every single time he's on the ice.

D I am less concerned, as long as stone can come back from bloodclot and get into game shape by playoffs, otherwise you need a veteran presence back there.

I'd also like to see them upgrade backup goalie. Smith has been the biggest weakness on this team all season and has cost them at least 8 points on his own (being conservative) and won them maybe 2 on his own. Not saying he's the worst backup in the league but he's pretty damn close. I'd prefer getting in a guy who would be only the ~15th best backup in the NHL instead of the 30th ranked backup in the NHL JIC

For me wishlist is two hard hitting wingers who cost no more than a second or third rounder , a backup goalie who costs us a forward prospect (foo or someone) and a 6th d man like kronwall for a mid to late round pick (guy who wants to have one last run at the cup like regher with LA a few years back

Basically no fights in the playoffs.

[Duffalufagus]

I don’t think they do anything. No need to overpay for gamble that has as a good a chance of going poorly as it does well.

Ferland will be way too expensive, not worth the price paid and wash rinse repeat if he makes it to fa this summer.

Stay the course.

[Phagoof]

He would be awesome on the second line. Stone would still be my number 1 target though.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by browna

Ferland did nothing if not on the top line. And he went 10 or 15 games multiple times in not scoring when playing with JG and SM.

Ferland did nothing physical wise after that epic Vancouver series. He last two shifts vs the Ducks who were ready for that and gave him a concussion and that was that.

And we haven't seen Ferland do that for a prolonged stretch since. You can't play that way full time. And it was 4 years ago. And it wasn't in a contract year like this was.

If Ferland want making his way through Calgary, I think the buzz would be a lot less.

Ferland was among the team leaders in hits every season in Calgary and he's there again with the Hurricanes even though he's missed a bunch of games. I don't get this "wasn't physical outside of the Vancouver series" narrative that a bunch of people are always trying to push.

[AC]

Originally Posted by codynw

Ferland was among the team leaders in hits every season in Calgary and he's there again with the Hurricanes even though he's missed a bunch of games. I don't get this "wasn't physical outside of the Vancouver series" narrative that a bunch of people are always trying to push.

Yep its a weird narrative.

His offensive production came and went, but he was always our most physical player.

[MillerTime GFG]

Brian Burke on the fan right now (paraphrasing):

- we think Ferland checked out on us last year
- no one could get through to him. We kept asking him what was wrong, but couldn’t get through
- good kid, good player when he wants to be, but it made sense to deal him

[Toonage]

So there you go. Ferland isn't coming back.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Brian Burke on the fan right now (paraphrasing):

- we think Ferland checked out on us last year
- no one could get through to him. We kept asking him what was wrong, but couldn’t get through
- good kid, good player when he wants to be, but it made sense to deal him

Very interesting comments.

Last year, Ferland started slow, with 1 goal in his first 7 games.

But then went 19-14-33 in 47 games (33 goal, 58 point pace).

Then he slowed way down and finished the year 1-6-7 in his last 23.

It was baffling, for sure.

[oldschoolcalgary]

i think things used to be said about Kent Nilsson:

a mystery, wrapped inside a puzzle, inside an enigma.... or something to that effect.

Ferland can be a great player when he is engaged... unfortunately, he's not a high motor player. His inconsistency is what prevents him from taking the next step

i doubted that Carolina would trade him back to Calgary anyways, but Burke's comments make it seem like Calgary was unlikely to be interested anyways

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

The game is physical and we need a physical threat so that Johnny doesn't get his wrists slashed every single time he's on the ice.

If anyone has any evidence that the presence of Micheal Ferland prevented a single slash to Johnny Gaudreau's hands in the last five years, I would like to see it.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Brian Burke on the fan right now (paraphrasing):

- we think Ferland checked out on us last year
- no one could get through to him. We kept asking him what was wrong, but couldn’t get through
- good kid, good player when he wants to be, but it made sense to deal him

I agree with Burke 100% Sure he had hits(paper hits?), but you could tell he wasn't into most games last year.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by codynw

Ferland was among the team leaders in hits every season in Calgary and he's there again with the Hurricanes even though he's missed a bunch of games. I don't get this "wasn't physical outside of the Vancouver series" narrative that a bunch of people are always trying to push.

In the Vancouver series, Ferland was one of the top 2 reasons they won.

It's impossible to sustain that sort of play even for a playoff run - Ferland wasn't even the same player against Anaheim. He got hurt. Which is what happens when you play the game to demolish people.

People never saw Ferland dominate the way he did for two weeks in 2015. That's where the narrative comes from.

[ToraToraTora]

I hate to reply without digging back 10 pages to see if anyone has said the same thing, but I just don't want to deal for him. I think he only really succeeds when he has top tier linemates. Our top 2 lines are set, so he won't be getting a high level of production on the bottom 2. I like the guy, I like his physicality, but I just don't think there's a place for him on this team right now.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Very interesting comments.

Last year, Ferland started slow, with 1 goal in his first 7 games.

But then went 19-14-33 in 47 games (33 goal, 58 point pace).

Then he slowed way down and finished the year 1-6-7 in his last 23.

It was baffling, for sure.

Not especially baffling, I don't think. Ferland and Gaudreau were both neutered when their centre was shut down with multiple injuries.

[Cole436]

2017-18 Ferland had the same problem that Bourque had after a few years. Both were guys whose effectiveness came from their physical and grinding style while being able to put up 35-45 points, but became very frustrating players when they focused more on a finesse game than a physical one.

I’d happily take a recharged Ferland for the playoff run but I’m not sure I’d want him past the post season.

[-TC-]

Originally Posted by Poe969

No, big NO from me on this. I think people are getting caught up in the nostalgia of Ferly. They should be targeting guys like schenn or stone or Hayes or kapanen but not ferly and not for the reported asking price

He's a bit lazy and streaky... I like the roster as it is. A big body would be nice for the playoffs, but only if it's the Ferland that played against Anaheim.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Brian Burke on the fan right now (paraphrasing):

- we think Ferland checked out on us last year
- no one could get through to him. We kept asking him what was wrong, but couldn’t get through
- good kid, good player when he wants to be, but it made sense to deal him

There was a poster that said something of this sort in the offseason about the team souring on him for not caring about losing. I can't remember who it was but props to him/her for the inside information that turned out to be correct.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Love Ferland, but I don't want the Flames overpaying for him as a rental, as I don't see him re-signing for a reasonable number. He is too inconsistent to be considered a true top 6 guy in my opinion. Having sad that, I hope he goes to a playoff team I don't hate, has success and gets paid. Islanders? Bruins?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not especially baffling, I don't think. Ferland and Gaudreau were both neutered when their centre was shut down with multiple injuries.

I could maybe see the argument that Monahan's injuries started to get so bad that it affected the output of his linemates in the final stretch, maybe, but Monahan was shut down with 7 games to go in the season on March 23. That shows that Ferland was entirely ineffective for 16 games in the back half of the season before Monahan was shut down. It also might show that Ferland needs high-skill teammates to be effective (when he's on) and he is not getting that in Calgary as a depth signing.

[Fire]

Trading for Ferland makes little sense unless it's for something like a 3rd round draft pick. With his injury concerns, it feels like a 50/50 chance he would even be healthy come playoff time. Can't give up significant assets for a guy that might not play. Maybe you could put that in the deal. If Ferland plays at least 10 playoff games the 3rd rounder turns into a 1st rounder.