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bubbsy · 10-05-2018, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Calgary fans used to practically draw up T-shirts saying "Tunnel of Death" but now we need a AHL defenseman dressed to protect sheep from a physical but clean defenseman?

Calgary flames have always loved tough, intimidating teams. They loved Sutter teams.

They have accepted the move from toughness to smaller, skilled players. The fans will be happy as long as it equates to goals & wins. I am not all that surprised at the reaction here with the team getting their teeth kicked in, both on the scoreboard and physically.

The best thing about being a fan of those sutter teams was even if the flames didn't win, you would damn sure see at least a fight or two, as well as plenty hits and scrums. I realize that the league has moved on from this style, and I hate to get all don cherry on this, but i for one am going to miss that element of hockey.

Joborule · 10-05-2018, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

And if Gudbrandsen handles Prout easily, or even just acquits himself well against a supposed tough guy then what? It's pretty doubtful that any fight would result in a big moral victory - most are just hugfests, especially where you have guys who have fought and can defend.

It's better Prout is fighting him than Hamonic though. Hamonic is a player that logs a lot of minutes, and now that he was the one who took the onus to fight, and got injured as a result, instead of Prout if he was in the lineup, we're missing an important player on the roster for a long while.

868904 · 10-05-2018, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by taxbuster

Peters has to submit his lineup first IIRC, so couldn't have "known" anything about who Vancouver was going to ice.

That thinking is how that line brawl started (well, allegedly) with Hartley and Torts.

But the Flames no longer have tough guys like that to ice, so what's Peters to do, really? He still has to put out a team he thinks can win.

That’s a really uninformed excuse. You think gudbranson is some ahl filler? He’s one of their top 4’s. You don’t even need pro scouting to know he’s going to be in the lineup.

Also you reference the Hartley brawl. You know what happens after that? The team forged an identity and cohesiveness that carried into the next season leading to the playoffs. That team was. It scared of team or situation and played way above their potential all because they had guys like McGrattan (that year) and Engelland and yes Bollig the next.

Split98 · 10-05-2018, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Brick

So, who is the Flames big defenseman like Gudbranson?

...Stone?
https://www.nhl.com/player/michael-stone-8474628
https://www.nhl.com/player/erik-gudbranson-8475790

bubbsy · 10-05-2018, 11:24 AM

Lost in all this is hamonic played half the game with a broken face. It's too bad he'll be out for a while. It's that kind of grit this team could be lacking.

soulchoice · 10-05-2018, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Which is dumb. The only thing distinguishing Gudbranson's hit as "dirty" was the fact that it was a split-second late. Hits like that can happen in every single game, and every single player is at risk of being on the receiving end. What are you proposing here? Do the Flames need to dress Prout in every game just in case they do?

Prout's presence would NOT prevent hits like Gudbranson's. The game is too fast for even the best players in the world to process all of it that quickly. Like I said earlier (or in another thread) the only reason to dress Prout is for retribution, not deterrence. The likely result will be seeing the Flames playing big chunks of the game on Saturday shorthanded.

I've never said it was a deterrent and such. So stop with the insinuation that is what I'm referring to. If you read my comments you would comprehend and understand I stated since this just happened the other night it's best to dress someone who is tough and can take a shift. That way when something like this does happen which is and I agree with you is a hockey play, you don't have an incident like Harmonic needing to step out of his weight class.

The hockey culture will always have someone step up on a hit like that. That is a given. In addition after what happened on Wednesday, having someone like Prout will make the team play bigger.

Do the flames need to dress Prout every game, no. But being the incident happened Wednesday. You absolutely do what you can to instill confidence in the team the next game. It's never a deterrent but can be an uplift to have someone like that on your team when you play said team again immediately after. As long as they can take a shift. Prout isn't a goon but can be steady as well on the back end in a third pairing role for a game here and there.

locsofblu · 10-05-2018, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Wow, doesn’t take much to push you over that line, huh.

It's called pride. If we can't push back with toughness then we have to make them pay on the scoresheet. This has to be a statement game and let them have it one way or another. It was bad enough getting our ass handed to us at the season opener if we lose to those clowns again I'm gonna lose my ####!

Split98 · 10-05-2018, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

Lost in all this is hamonic played half the game with a broken face. It's too bad he'll be out for a while. It's that kind of grit this team could be lacking.

And from what I watched of that game, he didn't exactly look shy out there either.

shutout · 10-05-2018, 11:31 AM

You want to issue a "payback" statement to show that the team isn't going to allow cheap shots unanswered you should have Bennett grab Pettersson at the beginning of the game a beat the crap out of him like Marchand did to Eller.
That will send a message that you play dirty on one of our skilled guys we will destroy one of your skill guys. That's a deterrent, not having somebody who is not skilled enough to be a regular contributor sitting on your bench.
If everybody knows that cheap shot will be answered with cheap shot, then teams will pay attention. Only way it will work, because nobody cares if tough guys fight, that does not change anything.

bubbsy · 10-05-2018, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Split98

...Stone?
https://www.nhl.com/player/michael-stone-8474628
https://www.nhl.com/player/erik-gudbranson-8475790

Stone is big, but about as physical as Dougie Hamilton

shutout · 10-05-2018, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by locsofblu

It's called pride. If we can't push back with toughness then we have to make them pay on the scoresheet. This has to be a statement game and let them have it one way or another. It was bad enough getting our ass handed to us at the season opener if we lose to those clowns again I'm gonna lose my ####!

Maybe if the skilled guys showed up and actually did anything in the first two periods they would not have had their ass handed to us. The hit was irrelevant, the fact that the flames came out with zero desire and couldn't pass the puck had everything to do with the loss. Want them to show pride, show up and look like you care.

Brick · 10-05-2018, 11:34 AM

There is a reason that the Flames went hard after Ryan Reeves in the offseason.

Some of the Flames players would like to have some protection on the ice and it is obvious that lacking that affects their game.

IMO, if Prout or Peluso aren't good enough to be mainstream players, then they still need to find someone who is.

smiggy77 · 10-05-2018, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Brick

So, who is the Flames big defenseman like Gudbranson?

Let me rephrase, every team has big players who play's a hard game.

We do have Stone who's 6'3 and 210 lbs.

Brick · 10-05-2018, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by smiggy77

Let me rephrase, every team has big players who play's a hard game.

We do have Stone who's 6'3 and 210 lbs.

Maybe, but he is not a fighter. The Flames still need to have an enforcer on the team that is good enough to take a regular shift. Why do you think that they offered Ryan Reeves so much money?

pepper24 · 10-05-2018, 11:47 AM

Flames literally won a playoff series in 2015 by a player that didn't have to fight but showed toughness. The Canucks had no answer or push back. Ferland was a machine.The Bruins showed the same thing in the 2011 Finals as Canucks tried to beat them on scoreboard instead. Nearly worked but still failed.

I worry about the Flames team toughness today. They are better team than 2015 but could be pushed around in the playoffs. Something they'll need to address by trade deadline.

locsofblu · 10-05-2018, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by shutout

Maybe if the skilled guys showed up and actually did anything in the first two periods they would not have had their ass handed to us. The hit was irrelevant, the fact that the flames came out with zero desire and couldn't pass the puck had everything to do with the loss. Want them to show pride, show up and look like you care.

The way we lost as well was hard to watch. It was the same crap as pretty much last year. They say we are a faster team and things are going to be different I want them to prove it! Yes it's game number 2 but Im sure everyone doesn't want to see the team under achieve again or fall back into old habits. This fan base deserves better and I'm running out of patience in my older age.

PepsiFree · 10-05-2018, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Brick

Maybe, but he is not a fighter. The Flames still need to have an enforcer on the team that is good enough to take a regular shift. Why do you think that they offered Ryan Reeves so much money?

How many of those are there? Who is the Canucks enforcer?

GioforPM · 10-05-2018, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Joborule

It's better Prout is fighting him than Hamonic though. Hamonic is a player that logs a lot of minutes, and now that he was the one who took the onus to fight, and got injured as a result, instead of Prout if he was in the lineup, we're missing an important player on the roster for a long while.

But is having Prout in the lineup worth it for that one thing? And who goes out? We'd likely be missing Valimaki.

Reggie Dunlop · 10-05-2018, 11:49 AM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1048268404782587904

https://twitter.com/user/status/1048269395976314880

Cali Panthers Fan · 10-05-2018, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pepper24

Flames literally won a playoff series in 2015 by a player that didn't have to fight but showed toughness. The Canucks had no answer or push back. Ferland was a machine.The Bruins showed the same thing in the 2011 Finals as Canucks tried to beat them on scoreboard instead. Nearly worked but still failed.

I worry about the Flames team toughness today. They are better team than 2015 but could be pushed around in the playoffs. Something they'll need to address by trade deadline.

They are decent examples, but they are still outlier examples. Most times, the team that focuses on scoring more goals than the other wins the game and the series. Physical play is a PART of the dynamic, but it doesn't make or break you the way it used to. It's a minor part at best.