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Old 04-29-2018, 09:36 AM   #181
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I guess that makes up for Niklas Backstrom costing us Patrik ####ing Laine.

I'm not bitter about that. Not at all.
At least our consolation prize was Tkachuk. I feel it was more of LA’s fault than Backstrom. They had a 3-1 lead on the jets in game 82 and blew it so the Jets finished with one more point than Calgary and won.


I am so relieved we did not give up the second pick in the draft for Hamonic
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Old 04-29-2018, 09:41 AM   #182
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Yes, I would take a proven Travis Hamonic over an unproven Juuso Valimaki, and two yet to be named low-chance 2nd rounders.

EDIT: Besides, I don't understand how on any level this is at all comparable?
If Valamaki, while still on his ELC, is not a better D-man for the Flames than Hamonic the Flames will continue to be an also ran team missing the playoffs as the default setting.

Also I agree with a lot of posters that point out that in the past the Flames were unbelievably bad at drafting in the 1st round.... that resulted in the miss the playoffs setting.

However over the last 3 drafts they have been making totally adequate in the picks in the top 3 rounds picks that a bulk of solid NHLers are picked:

2017 #16 Valimaki
2016 #6 Tkachuk #54 Parsons #56 Dube #66 Fox
2015 # 53 Anderssen #60 Kylington


With 7 picks in the top 3 rounds the Flames have not had a clear miss.

This year no picks in the top 3 rounds next year 2.

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Old 04-29-2018, 09:49 AM   #183
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Are you insinuating that for the first time in recorded history the Flames actually acquired the more talented brother?
What about Valerie “Pocket Rocket” Bure?
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Old 04-29-2018, 10:16 AM   #184
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However over the last 3 drafts they have been making totally adequate in the picks in the top 3 rounds picks that a bulk of solid NHLers are picked:

2017 #16 Valimaki
2016 #6 Tkachuk #54 Parsons #56 Dube #66 Fox
2015 # 53 Anderssen #60 Kylington


With 7 picks in the top 3 rounds the Flames have not had a clear miss.

This year no picks in the top 3 rounds next year 2.
Kind of counting your chickens, though. I count one 'solid NHLer' in that group (so far).
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man, Dahlin-Ristolainen is going to be a hell of a pairing for years to come. L-R combo too. Seeing those for 25 minutes a night won't be fun for the opposition.
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Old 04-29-2018, 10:48 AM   #186
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I guess that makes up for Niklas Backstrom costing us Patrik ####ing Laine.

I'm not bitter about that. Not at all.
How did Backstrom cost us Laine? Winnipeg finished ahead of the Flames. Winning the last game of the season gave the Flames the best chance to get Laine (assuming the same lottery results) but the Kings blew their last game and Winnipeg won in the shootout to move one point ahead of the Flames.

If the Flames had lost their final game of the season, they would have finished below Columbus. If the lottery would have played out the same, it would have given the Flames the third overall pick, where they would have likely chosen Matthew Tkachuk.

At most, you could say that Backstrom cost the Flames the chance to draft Matthew Tkachuk 3rd overall.



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I get that we are all happy the East has dominated the lottery and will get the first crack at the top talent but I’m a little surprised there’s not more uproar over how it worked out. I’ll speculate that if the opposite worked out and the west took down the top four there’d be some cocked eyebrows in the media and eastern teams. Of course there is the whole E=NG thing and the rewarding bad performance over the last decade.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. 4 of the bottom 5 teams in the league this year were in the Eastern Conference. Two of those 4 teams won 2 of the lottery picks. That's not surprising at all.

Because of the odds distribution, the Eastern Conference teams had a combined 67.5% chance of winning (if you count the Flames' pick as the Islanders' -- 65% if you don't).

Just going by the odds, the expectation would have been for 2 of the 3 spots to go to the East. 3 out of 3 going East isn't outrageous.


In fact, if you look at each draw separately, the East had more than a 50% chance of winning each one. The way the lottery is done, there are 1000 possible winning combinations which are assigned to each of the 15 teams in a weighted structure.

On the first draw, 675 of those combinations would have yielded an Eastern Conference winner and 325 for the West.

After Buffalo won the first draw, their 185 combinations would have no longer been in play, reducing the East's numbers to 490, while the West would have still had 325. That's still a 60.1% chance for the East.

After Carolina won the second draw, their 30 combinations would have been out of play, reducing the East's count to 460, with the West remaining at 325. That gave the East a 58.6% chance of winning the third draw too.



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Are you insinuating that for the first time in recorded history the Flames actually acquired the more talented brother?
You're forgetting Joe Mullen and Miikka Kiprusoff.
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Old 04-29-2018, 10:57 AM   #187
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well, my offseason wish of landing ROR through a transaction based upon a package around a dman seems hopeless now.

I'm getting more and more curious about what players the flames are looking at as targets to improve their forward group and what currency they are willing to part with...
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:21 AM   #188
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Kind of counting your chickens, though. I count one 'solid NHLer' in that group (so far).
Calling Tkachuk a "solid NHLer" is kinda like calling Gaudreau a "solid passer."
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Calling Tkachuk a "solid NHLer" is kinda like calling Gaudreau a "solid passer."
"Yeah, Ovechkin has a passably decent one timer, I guess."
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:27 AM   #190
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Crosby's been fairly decent at leading his team to Stanley Cups over the years. It's worked okay, I guess.
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:32 AM   #191
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But I seriously doubt that you would take him over the 2017 #16 pick never mind the 2 2nds.


With the 16th overall pick the Flames choose Juuso Valimaki.
Good point except that Treliving didn't trade the 2017 pick. You could pick any random number 12 looking back and make an argument for either side.
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:35 AM   #192
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Crosby's been fairly decent at leading his team to Stanley Cups over the years. It's worked okay, I guess.
I'm still not sold....
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Calling Tkachuk a "solid NHLer" is kinda like calling Gaudreau a "solid passer."
There might not be a more overrated player on this board...

Maybe if he isn't suspended for any games next year he'll break 50 points?
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There might not be a more overrated player on this board...

Maybe if he isn't suspended for any games next year he'll break 50 points?
ooooooooh burn!!!
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lol

(that post deserved two lol's)
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There might not be a more overrated player on this board...

Maybe if he isn't suspended for any games next year he'll break 50 points?
Maybe if Jack Eichel wasn't made of glass he could sniff some of that potential we've all heard about too.
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There might not be a more overrated player on this board...

Maybe if he isn't suspended for any games next year he'll break 50 points?
So, when the Sabres are in the draft lottery again next season, will fans be once again cheering for losses?

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Im happy for the Sabres, and Carolina, And MTL. 2 of three teams will get what they so depserately need. While MTL is left twisting a bit because there's no top flight C available.

At least I think their most pressing need is at Center.
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There might not be a more overrated player on this board...

Maybe if he isn't suspended for any games next year he'll break 50 points?
Ohhh boy, suspended once last year and was on pace for 60 before his injury. Has more balls than any player on your team as well. Wouldn’t expect a better take from a fan of the Eastern Oilers.

Your entire team is essentially a pile of overrated dog ####. Ristoleinen? Don’t even get me started, forever -20. What’s your excuse if they still suck with Dahlin? Will it still be “we should’ve got McDavid”? So many excuses from a team that has had a plethora of top 10 picks with several top 3 picks over the past 10 years, but I guess the Sabres never get lucky hahaha.

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