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Old 06-29-2017, 08:36 PM   #181
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Unadjusted save percentage is tough.

Carolina does a great job of suppressing shots but they give up an abnormal number of shots in the high danger areas.

For example look where Elliott faced shots from last year



And now look where Lack faced shots from.



Really going to screw up your stats when your team suppresses the easy shots but then lets a lot of high danger shots get to the net.
Yeah, but looks like Johnson faced about the same thing as Lack.

Weird how two goalies on the same team have such different charts.

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Sigalet gets so much underserved %#^* on here. He's been fed nothing but mediocre veteran goalies, and everyone hates him for not turning them into high end starting goalies...just, whatever.
Not to mention a guy was on The FAN that's connected in the industry and mentioned that Sigalet is highly regarded in the goalie coach world.
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They must think Lack can rebound because the difference between the last two years of Lack and really any average AHL goalie is that Lack has NHL experience. Performance wise there would be little to no difference.
Average AHL goaltenders simply don't play in the NHL or the Flames would have cornered the market on NHL goaltender developement.
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Old 06-29-2017, 08:38 PM   #184
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Didn't give up anything, really. Decent backup with a good price tag. Young 6/7 depth dman with upside.

Not saying I love lack or Murphy but it's hard to complain about the value here.
Pretty much this. I really dislike Lack, and I don't like the reports about his attitude, but as a stopgap backup goalie for a year, I'm completely fine with this.

The price on this deal is ludicrously good for the Flames. Treliving is already pushing for the title of greatest Flames G.M. in franchise history. Cliff Fletcher still holds the title for now.
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Old 06-29-2017, 08:40 PM   #185
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Lack was called out by his coach last year pretty bad. But at one point he was a stud backup. Hopefully both guys hit their potential with the Flames.

And thankfully the Flames haven't exhausted even more picks. Getting that 7th back is huge for a team needing picks
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dont tell him we actually downgraded from a 6th to a 7th in the deal...
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Old 06-29-2017, 08:44 PM   #187
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I think Lack is a big downgrade from Johnson.

I searched NHL goalies that played 20+ games in the last two seasons.

There were 112 entries.

I ordered them by save percentage and Lack's seasons were ranked 103 and 107.

John Ortio's final season was 104.

The Hamonic move was great for the Flames but I don't think that Treliving has done well with the goaltending.

Mike Smith is old and average, which is fine if you have another 1B goalie to help carry the load. I thought for sure the Flames would get another Johnson or someone similar.

With the acquisition of Lack, it appears that they may have downgraded their goaltending tandem.

Murphy was the number 8 in Carolina, and has been through waivers at least once.

I just don't see the positive for Calgary in this. I think they should have aimed higher for a backup.
The Flames got two NHL players for Keegan friggin' Kanzig and you can't see the positive in it for Calgary? Come on dude.
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Eddie Lack will be loved by Flames fans for being a really good person who is fun and fan friendly, while at the same time being talented. Plus giving up Kanzig isn't giving up much at all.

I don't think many people watched him closely in Carolina, because who here really watches the Hurricanes, especially Calgary fans. Hopefully he does well.
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Old 06-29-2017, 08:50 PM   #189
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Yeah, but looks like Johnson faced about the same thing as Lack.

Weird how two goalies on the same team have such different charts.

I don't know how that looks like the same thing at all.

Also something to explain the different charts between Johnson and Elliot is when they played. Flames were basically two different teams this season and by the time Elliot had most of his playing time, it was when the team was playing well in all 3 zones. Johnson gave them undeserved chances to win while they were playing poorly early on.
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Not to mention a guy was on The FAN that's connected in the industry and mentioned that Sigalet is highly regarded in the goalie coach world.
I'[m not denying it, but at the end of the day the proof is in the pudding an don't see it.

Would love to be wrong
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Murphy is a reclamation project... a big maybe... he's not going to be handed anything, and is not guaranteed to even make the roster IMO.
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Eddie Lack will be loved by Flames fans for being a really good person who is fun and fan friendly, while at the same time being talented. Plus giving up Kanzig isn't giving up much at all.

I don't think many people watched him closely in Carolina, because who here really watches the Hurricanes, especially Calgary fans. Hopefully he does well.
I don't really care all the much how fan friendly he is. That stuff is nice and all but I just want him to come in and not lose games when his number is called. As long as he's average that's good enough for this team given what they have been used to receiving over the past few seasons.
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Old 06-29-2017, 08:55 PM   #193
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While he put in the work, Lack has struggled in his first season with the Carolina Hurricanes, especially early in the year when he didn’t take to some technical adjustments suggested by Hurricanes goaltending coach David Marcoux. As outlined in November by Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman, the Hurricanes were asking Lack to make saves with his knees in white ice.
The technical adjustments didn’t play to Lack’s strengths, which are his size, positioning and patience.
“He’s very cerebral,” said Sportsnet’s Corey Hirsch. “He’s a guy that thinks a lot while he’s playing; about his positioning, where things should be, and he’s perfect technically. I think the adjustment hurt him a little bit.”
Playing further out of his crease exposed Lack’s relative weaknesses, like his skating. He has particularly struggled on the toughest shots to stop: shots from dead centre in the high slot, what analytics company Sportlogiq refers to as ‘the red zone.’ On those shots, Lack’s save percentage is over 11 per cent points below league average.

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Newly-acquired Eddie Lack is a different animal. In Vancouver, coach Roland Melanson prefers deep. Here, counterpart David Marcoux wants Lack out further, saying in one team broadcast they like the idea of making saves with knees on the white ice. I was curious about that, because Lack has admitted his skating gets him into trouble sometimes and he prefers to set early. Watching a bit more of his work, you can see he’s asked to get deeper as the play gets closer to him. On the rush, or in the neutral zone, they want him out.
“Be six-foot-five, not five-foot-10,” as one coach (not in Carolina) explained. It also seems they are asking him not to set or go down as early as he used to. “I would assume that’s because they are worried shooters can pick that apart,” the above coach said.

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At the acquisition cost as well, if he's out performed in camp, no sweat to put him on waivers to send down.

Love the move considering its basically zero cost.

Plus who knows... Maybe Murphy is a slow bloomer
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I like the move, because like signing Foo, it contributes to the Lack of puns around here
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I don't know how that looks like the same thing at all.

Also something to explain the different charts between Johnson and Elliot is when they played. Flames were basically two different teams this season and by the time Elliot had most of his playing time, it was when the team was playing well in all 3 zones. Johnson gave them undeserved chances to win while they were playing poorly early on.
I think Lack's and Johnson's look more similar than Elliot's.

I looked through a bunch of different teams and I'm seeing the wildly different patterns between 2 goalies on the same team most of the time.

The charts look almost random.
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Murphy, a former upper half 1st rounder just turned 24 and has played 150 NHL games, at a great NHL salary.

Curious as to what makes some people think that Kulak or Andersson are better qualified to be the Flames 5 or 6 D than him.

I'll take a swing at Murphy, as opposed to having the other two.
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Murphy, a former upper half 1st rounder just turned 24 and has played 150 NHL games, at a great NHL salary.

Curious as to what makes some people think that Kulak or Andersson are better qualified to be the Flames 5 or 6 D than him.

I'll take a swing at Murphy, as opposed to having the other two.
I remember a piece once with Jarmo Kekalainen and he said an NHL defenceman needs 200 games to really round into form. There could be hope for Murphy yet.
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The Legend of Lack continues.
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