Ongoing - Elliott Friedman's 30 Thoughts (Wednesdays)

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well yeah but have they won a game that Talbot hasn't started? I find it difficult to give it to McDavid when there's another player on the team that is the deciding factor between wins and losses. If McDavid was the be all end all for the Oilers they should be able to win games with the backup goaltender between the pipes.

For a defenseman to be able to go toe to toe with him in scoring is petty amazing as Burns is doing this without being a train wreck defensively like Karlsson is at times. If Burns keeps it up I feel I would go with him because I feel Talbot is McDavid's equal when it comes to importance to his team.

Two wins.

[Sylvanfan]

Last I heard here in Edmonton...Draisaitl should sign for 4.5'ish....I think it's a bit wishful. He's definitely going to be more than 6 if they want 5 years.

Both guys should hit bonuses, so the Oilers aren't planning for them to make their cheapo salaries..McDavid in particular could be hitting on a good chunk of his 2.85 in bonus money.

At the end of the day, players like McDavid don't put teams in cap hell. Players like Lucic do.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Last I heard here in Edmonton...Draisaitl should sign for 4.5'ish....I think it's a bit wishful. He's definitely going to be more than 6 if they want 5 years.

Both guys should hit bonuses, so the Oilers aren't planning for them to make their cheapo salaries..McDavid in particular could be hitting on a good chunk of his 2.85 in bonus money.

At the end of the day, players like McDavid don't put teams in cap hell. Players like Lucic do.

He's on pace for close to 70 points so he should be fetching in the same ballpark as Monahan and Barkov which is just north of $6 million per season. They will likely have to move one of Eberle and RNH this summer.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's on pace for close to 70 points so he should be fetching in the same ballpark as Monahan and Barkov which is just north of $6 million per season. They will likely have to move one of Eberle and RNH this summer.

Yeah, it will definitely be in that ballpark if not more if he hits that 70 point mark. Monahan never hit 70 while Barkov never hit 60.

Barkov got six years at 5.9 after only one really strong year. Monahan got 6.37 after two strong seasons but his is a seven year deal which went two years into UFA status while Barkov's six year deal only went one past RFA. Draisaitl will have a lot more bargaining power then Barkov did after hitting 51 and 70 points vs 36 and 59 as well.

Six year deal 6.5?
Seven year.. 6.75-7?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Last I heard here in Edmonton...Draisaitl should sign for 4.5'ish....I think it's a bit wishful. He's definitely going to be more than 6 if they want 5 years.

Both guys should hit bonuses, so the Oilers aren't planning for them to make their cheapo salaries..McDavid in particular could be hitting on a good chunk of his 2.85 in bonus money.

At the end of the day, players like McDavid don't put teams in cap hell. Players like Lucic do.

there is no chance for a 4.5 million dollar contract for Draisatl unless the contract is short term. Both guys may hit their bonuses but that doesn't really matter much as it eats into this years cap space which is at 4 million dollars. And McDavid into the next yearss. But I'm calculating based on pure cap hit.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

there is no chance for a 4.5 million dollar contract for Draisatl unless the contract is short term. Both guys may hit their bonuses but that doesn't really matter much as it eats into this years cap space which is at 4 million dollars. And McDavid into the next yearss. But I'm calculating based on pure cap hit.

Well in September it was in the three's and it's been counting up since.

I think Draisaitl is a pretty good player. He definitely has his numbers buoyed up a bit by playing with McDavid. So that's a factor in him outscoring a guy like Barkov. On the other, he's the one guy they have who seems to regularly click with McDavid, and at times has been able to make a line go.

It will be a term thing. They may try to get him on a less expensive 3 year deal knowing that they'll pay for McDavid, and hope it gets them a couple years to get out of RNH, Eberle, and maybe even Suffering Sekeraj.

It will be tough for them to buck up and lock down Draisaitl for a long term this summer and McDavid next.

Mind you Chiarelli has already shown that he's not as partial to the wonder kids as his predecessors were.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Mind you Chiarelli has already shown that he's not as partial to the wonder kids as his predecessors were.

I do think this is Eberle's last season in Edmonton. Coach and GM both value centres and the versatility they bring so I suspect RNH will be the last one standing from the previous "core".

[MrMastodonFarm]

Barkov's numbers were improved by Jagr
Monahan's numbers were improved by Gaudreau

Good players help good players. McDavid-Draisaitl might be a big example of that but when him and his agent sit down with numbers like 30 goals and 70 points those are going to be hard to counter, especially when Lucic and Eberle flopped with Connor to start the season.

[RM14]

Originally Posted by Buff

Two wins.

Isn't it:

2 starts, 1 win

[Oil Stain]

I think short term is the right way to go for a Draisaitl contract. If he ends up centre full time I expect his numbers will drop some.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Well in September it was in the three's and it's been counting up since.

I think Draisaitl is a pretty good player. He definitely has his numbers buoyed up a bit by playing with McDavid. So that's a factor in him outscoring a guy like Barkov. On the other, he's the one guy they have who seems to regularly click with McDavid, and at times has been able to make a line go.

It will be a term thing. They may try to get him on a less expensive 3 year deal knowing that they'll pay for McDavid, and hope it gets them a couple years to get out of RNH, Eberle, and maybe even Suffering Sekeraj.

It will be tough for them to buck up and lock down Draisaitl for a long term this summer and McDavid next.

Mind you Chiarelli has already shown that he's not as partial to the wonder kids as his predecessors were.

In what world would Draisaitl or his agent accept a contract that's worth much less than RNH or Eberle or other comparables like Barkov, Huberdeau, Monahan and etc. Draisaitl is going to get a long term extension worth the same or even more money because he's top 20 in scoring right now and is eligible for an offer sheet which gives him a lot of leverage. I'm also certain that several teams would probably have interest in a big #1 centerman like him. Chiarelli already knows he's going to have to ante up.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I think short term is the right way to go for a Draisaitl contract. If he ends up centre full time I expect his numbers will drop some.

As was mentioned above Draisaitl is one of the few forwards that have really clicked with McDavid. As long at that remains the case I don't see separating them as a good thing. It's not always easy to play along side a player that is a level above everyone else. Crosby has really only clicked with Chris Kunitz consistently throughout his career despite plenty of wingers being brought in over the years. If Eberle gets moved that's one less winger to play with him so until maybe Puljujarvi is ready it's going to he hard to justify splitting them up.

[Flash Walken]

omg don't care about draisailt

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

omg don't care about draisailt

You're not fooling anyone.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Crosby has really only clicked with Chris Kunitz consistently throughout his career despite plenty of wingers being brought in over the years.

Crosby clicked just fine with Hossa, Hornqvist, and Sheary. He was barely even tried with Kessel or Iginla.

[manwiches]

Posted late, as I'm sure he was busy on Wednesday

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/3...-deadline-day/

Flames Notes:

20. Lightning GM Steve Yzerman called Los Angeles “the only taker” for Ben Bishop. Calgary was involved to some degree, but the Kings were ready when Yzerman needed his final answer. Bishop has said he thought he was going to Alberta last summer, and it’s believed the Flames were preparing a six-year offer in the $36M range. But that crumbled at the end, and, well, I’ve gotten in enough fights the last three weeks.

Interesting. Elliot on the radio this morning too, clarifying it. Says there was indeed a deal on the table, but for whatever reason fell through. Bishop thought he was going, had agreed in principal to the deal. My read, it sounds like it fell through on the Flames side.

28. Calgary inquired on Marc-Andre Fleury a few weeks ago, but I don’t think it was anywhere near close. For one thing, getting him to go there might take an off-season trip, because it’s somewhere he’s unfamiliar with. Second, I don’t see the match on an in-season trade. I take Jim Rutherford at face value when he says his preference was to keep Fleury as Matt Murray injury insurance. Like Duchene and Landeskog, the market may be larger after the season. Fleury may also be willing to expand his list of potential destinations since he just wants to play.

I'm glad we didn't get MAF. While great history, he's over the hill IMO

29. Not surprised Calgary is sitting out Curtis Lazar the first game he is eligible to play for the Flames. Also don’t think it’s a guarantee Lazar’s arrival means Sam Bennett moves to wing. There is an option to try some things, but you don’t disrupt a surging team as you rebuild Lazar’s confidence.

Further to his morning spiel on the Fan960 this morning, Friedman thinks price was reasonable. I said it in the other thread, but i like this move a lot. Reasonable gamble, just need to build him back up, and I think he has all the tools to be a great part of our core.

League Notes:

Too many to talk about, as alot happened this week, and I don't have a ton of time to comment.

[devo22]

Interesting that the Bishop talks were so advanced. Thank god it didn't happen, IIRC the asking price was the 1st rounder and from today's standpoint, trading Tkachuk for Bishop at 6x6 is a disgusting thought ...

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that it fell through because of the Dubois pick.

[Erick Estrada]

You really get the feeling the Flames are going to offer Bishop a contract in free agency. Not sure how I feel about that but I surely hope it's nowhere near $36 million as IMO he's simply not physically reliable enough to commit that much money and term.

[CliffFletcher]

The problem with a goalie like Bishop is his injury history means you need to have a reliable goalie who can play 30+ games to take over when he inevitably goes down. That's not a problem if you have think you have a young goalie ready to step in take on that kind of load and play well at the NHL level. If you don't, you have to go out and get a good veteran as a backup. That means tying up $8 mil+ in goaltending, which is far from ideal.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Friedman says that Yzerman may have wanted a 2nd for Bishop so it may have come down to Lazar or Bishop at the deadline.

Rumour is Bishop would have accepted the 6x6 offer had the trade done thru last summer.