[PGT] Kings Cinco, Flames Nada

[IgiTang]

Monahan had 15:56 of ice time
Gaudreau with the most of the forwards at 17:40

Backlund had 16:43

Bennett 16:42

Tkachuk 16:35

Frolik 15:46

I get the trying to roll 4 lines. But your best players need to be given the best opportunity in which to succeed.

Give the Backlund line atleast a few more shifts than Monny.

If Backs gets 18-19 mins, then Monny gets 13-14. Perhaps that would send a message?

[calgaryblood]

Who would have thought Grossman would be so bad and slow after the pre season he had against mostly our AHLers. He looked terrible in pre-season and I kept hearing how good he was from management. That doesn't really give me a vote in confidence in Treliving.

Can't believe he got a one way contract, there is zero chance there was any competition for Grossman so I just don't get it.

As bad as Grossman was, Brodie looked like crap once again. hia first 4 shifts he had a turnover on every one and they were bad ones. Maybe re-unite him with Engelland? Because Engelland is our best defenseman right now and it's not even close.

[sticktrick]

Grossman has no business playing in the NHL. His time has expired. Having him in and out of the lineup shows the unnecessary politics that exist with the coaching and player management model. The same can be said for other player usage. Entire coaching staff obviously have a plan and system, but have to wonder if they get full respect from all the players. Our top players look terrible, can't be a coicincidence that they all suck at the same time.

[CroFlames]

Grossman sucks so bad. He's not NHL caliber, nor is he particularly tough.

I don't know wtf Brad was thinking signing him, but worse yet is that Glen is playing him.

These are obvious and egregious errors.

[calgaryblood]

Gaudreau and Monahan now tied for worst in the league with each other at -11.

Worst defenseman is Brodie at -10.

That right there is the reason this team has no chance on most nights.

And for the love of god stop playing Brodie on the first PP unit. He has never been good on the PP and every coach who has ever coached Brodie has realized this. Why isn't Hamilton on the first pp unit? I feel like the coaches don't fully understand the players strengths and weaknesses yet.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Gaudreau and Monahan now tied for worst in the league with each other at -11.

Worst defenseman is Brodie at -10.

That right there is the reason this team has no chance on most nights.

And for the love of god stop playing Brodie on the first PP unit. He has never been good on the PP and every coach who has ever coached Brodie has realized this. Why isn't Hamilton on the first pp unit? I feel like the coaches don't fully understand the players strengths and weaknesses yet.

To top that off Gaudreau is 6th in the league in Giveaways while only having 2 takeaways this season. He's usually a turnover machine due to having the puck so much, but he's always had a knack for taking the puck right back. That hasn't happened at all this season.

Is GG telling him not to retrieve the puck or does Gaudreau have no compete level this year now that he's got this fat contract? He had a hell of a lot of compete at the WCOH and now he's horrible in every facet of the game.

[Badgers Nose]

They spent a lot of time watching old hacks in the pre season, and even signing some. Seems to me they don't know what they have and who pairs well with who.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by FBI

What's the best safe online site where I can make bets like that? Time for me to start betting against the flames as well for free money.

I use Bodog.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

To top that off Gaudreau is 6th in the league in Giveaways while only having 2 takeaways this season. He's usually a turnover machine due to having the puck so much, but he's always had a knack for taking the puck right back. That hasn't happened at all this season.

Is GG telling him not to retrieve the puck or does Gaudreau have no compete level this year now that he's got this fat contract? He had a hell of a lot of compete at the WCOH and now he's horrible in every facet of the game.

Gully isn't telling Gaudreau to not compete, but Gaudreau is falling into the exact same hole as everyone. They're trying (and failing) to play a system first type of game at the expense of playing to their own strengths.

Bennett, since being benched a few times for taking undisciplined penalties, has been awful. He's playing against his own instincts, as are a lot of players, as they try to stick to the system.

Perhaps this is required pain. Perhaps Coach Bob's system was so poorly structured/unstructured, that right now we're suffering through fixing some bad habits.

Or, perhaps the system is a bad system that forces square pegs into round holes. I'm not certain this is the reality of what's happening - but I am seeing a lot of similarities Between what's happening now and what happened in Pittsburgh. It's a system first style, when the system itself wasn't built around the strengths of the team. Why haven't we seen Gaudreau show elite level skill? Why haven't we seen Gio and Brodie lead the rush the way they used to with their speed?

Why have we seen multiple disntinctly different PP and PK strategies?

Good coaches build systems that exploit their player's skill sets. Gulutzan got dealt a bad hand on this as well, with how poorly structured our training camp was (too many PTOs, Monahan and Johnny being absent).

It's far too early to be placing the blame on the coaching staff, or individual players, because it takes months, not a month to install a system. Until the system is fully adopted, the best we can hope for is that we keep our head above water. We're doing that right now, which is a good sign. We're "in the mix", despite all of our struggles.

November and December will be very telling months - by the end of December, we'll see what we have in our coaching staff. Our team is young and a lot of important positions are filled with players we will have for a long time - so it's up to the coaching staff to teach them, and to get the best out of them

[blender]

Another thing to remember is that last year with all of our top players having career years was not good enough either.

I don't want a repeat of that Flames team any more than I want what we are seeing now.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Good post ComixZone and very similar to what I posted in the GG thread.

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Karl

How about laying off of inhaling the rubbing alcohol before you get too tripped out.

Kulak hasn't had anything close to a sub par game yet and he was our best defenceman by a large margin, and Stajan has played pretty well in general with the exception of tonight and maybe the game against the Caps.

Pretty wack of you to think Kulak, Stajan & Hamilton have been our worst problems let alone subpar.

Yeah dog, that's wack. Don't be wack dog.

[timbit]

For players as smart as Brodie, Monahan and Gaudreau , it is an insult to them to claim that they can't adjust to a different system.

People need to accept the obvious. Their performance has severely reduced the Flames opportunity for success up to this point.

If they had produced to any degree, defensively and/ or offensively , the Flames would be minimally 2 games over .500.

Embarrassing performance by the Flames top players up to this point.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by timbit

For players as smart as Brodie, Monahan and Gaudreau , it is an insult to them to claim that they can't adjust to a different system.

People need to accept the obvious. Their performance has severely reduced the Flames opportunity for success up to this point.

If they had produced to any degree, defensively and/ or offensively , the Flames would be minimally 2 games over .500.

Embarrassing performance by the Flames top players up to this point.

Why is that an insult to them? It's also strange to believe that all the best players on the team forgot how to play all at the same time...

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Why is that an insult to them? It's also strange to believe that all the best players on the team forgot how to play all at the same time...

Because they are a lot better than they have displayed.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by timbit

Because they are a lot better than they have displayed.

Exactly. And what would cause 5 or 6 players to all change how they play at the same time?

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Exactly. And what would cause 5 or 6 players to all change how they play at the same time?

Complacency....excited about their huge windfall. Pissed off that they are not getting more? Not ready after missing camp?
Why is the rest of the team be playing so well, generally?

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by timbit

Complacency....excited about their huge windfall. Pissed off that they are not getting more? Not ready after missing camp?
Why is the rest of the team be playing so well, generally?

Which "rest of the team" is playing well? The PK that mostly doesn't "K"? The Defence that mostly doesn't defend? Which of the other players are having career years? Oh - that would be 3 guys on the Backlund line, out of 20.

That's not "the rest of the team" or even "generally".

This is a coaching disaster that we are going to have to live with this year b/c BT doesn't have the chops to admit that he made a horrible mistake and the owners won't pay two guys not to coach.

I don't think this has *anything* to do with money - it's a brutal system that has no focus, doesn't use players appropriately (Jokki had a great game in SJ, then was riding press box in LA...what?) or conscientiously.

They've tried numerous different PK and PP combos, all to zero effect - clearly the coaches have no idea what they are doing.

They had Brodie on the wrong side - something he clearly did not like, but hey - they're smarter than everyone else - until they figured out that they aren't.

A bag of pucks could do a better job of coaching this team. Awful.

[442scotty]

Stockton seems to be doing fine with the new system.... Maybe our players aren't as good as we think they are?