Last thing on the checklist - Sign Monahan and Gaudreau

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

The dollar figure for a 6 to 8 year deal is established. Nothing to negotiate there.

This is about term now it looks like. BT was saying on the Fan they will be good players for a long time and mentioned term. He also mentioned that he sees cap being stable going forward (no new sources of revenue). Starting to look like the players might not want long term.

Why do you say this? I think that JerryUnderscore's post in this thread rather practically explains the likely reason for any supposed "delay."

Really, there is nothing much on which to speculate.

[DJones]

If the cap is going to stagnate, then term is good. Sign an 8 year deal and hopefully the cap goes up by then for a big pay out

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I have seen this list, and also see that some of the highest ensdorsement contracts are offered by Canadian companies to players playing in the USA (Bell, Sportchek Canadian Tire, Tim Hortons et al.). Again, I don't believe there is a clear connection between local market and endorsement earnings.

If Matthews is even close to the player as advertised that will change in spades now that Toronto has it's #1, He'll probably make more endorsement money than all the other 29 first rounders put together next year.

[Split98]

Not done yet?

Time to get back to a proven plan to get Gaurdeau signed:

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why do you say this? I think that JerryUnderscore's post in this thread rather practically explains the likely reason for any supposed "delay."

Really, there is nothing much on which to speculate.

Obviously the Flames would like to go max term on both. I expect the difference between 6 and 8 years, for Gaudreau, will cost minimum $20M over term.
I don't think term or dollars are close to done yet.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why do you say this? I think that JerryUnderscore's post in this thread rather practically explains the likely reason for any supposed "delay."



Really, there is nothing much on which to speculate.

Ya that's it. Different locations and need to use agents and phone calls is dragging this out. I love your pissy tone.

I'm not saying they don't want to be in yyc long term. I'm saying I think the term is the key hangup. And it's not the team shying away from term. This will all get done but if I'm the players then I prefer 5 years vs 8.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Ya that's it. Different locations and need to use agents and phone calls is dragging this out. I love your pissy tone.

I'm not saying they don't want to be in yyc long term. I'm saying I think the term is the key hangup. And it's not the team shying away from term. This will all get done but if I'm the players then I prefer 5 years vs 8.

That would suck considering every other team can seem to get their young talent locked up for longer than that. I would go so far to say that if they both sign for 5 years that those will likely be the last contracts they sign with the Flames. It would speak volumes if they get 5 year deals while every other young star seems to get 6-8.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

After the All Star game

Scheifele 33 games 17 goals 37 pts +4 20:07
Monahan 33 games 13 goals 34 pts -1 18:29
Gaudreau 31 games 10 goals 31 pts 0 19:27

all 3 of them were outstanding.

Scheifele went out after that and played shut-down centre on Gold medal winning Team Canada while scoring 9 pts in 9 games at the world championships in Russia.


If it is what have you done lately then Gaudreau and Monahan get a bit less than Scheifele..... 6M x 8.


BUT Gaudreau is just so exciting.... he is someone who people pay to watch.

Gaudreau was 6th in NHL scoring in his second season, that justifies 7+

pretty certain they don't just look at points after the ASG...what were their numbers on games played on Tuesday?

You can't just cherry pick stats to fit your argument...Gaudreau is on another level from these guys his contract will reflect that.

[StrykerSteve]

Imagine if Gaudreau could score on the road. He'd have led the league in scoring.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

That would suck considering every other team can seem to get their young talent locked up for longer than that. I would go so far to say that if they both sign for 5 years that those will likely be the last contracts they sign with the Flames. It would speak volumes if they get 5 year deals while every other young star seems to get 6-8.

Yeah not saying that's what will happen but 5 year deals for these guys would be a real negative, despite management's inevitable spin that it was best for both parties.

[Moneyhands23]

So.....no news...

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Ya that's it. Different locations and need to use agents and phone calls is dragging this out. I love your pissy tone.

I'm not saying they don't want to be in yyc long term. I'm saying I think the term is the key hangup. And it's not the team shying away from term. This will all get done but if I'm the players then I prefer 5 years vs 8.

First off, I am a bit puzzled that my "tone" has suddenly become a topic of reflection here on CP. Can you point out to me in my response exactly where I am coming across as "pissy"? I don't see it.

Second, I have no doubt that both players would want to sign for five years, effectively bringing them to free agency and providing complete freedom over their future destinies in their prime playing years. I think there is no chance that the Flames make these deals. They will either be for 7/8 years or 2/3 years, which lows them to retain both Monahan's and Gaudreau's rights on their next deals.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah not saying that's what will happen but 5 year deals for these guys would be a real negative, despite management's inevitable spin that it was best for both parties.

depends on the money

[JerryUnderscore]

I find it interesting the level of worry and fear some people have over Monahan and Gaudreau not signing long term deals. Yes, Gaudreau said he'd love to play in front of his hometown some day. Of course he would. Who wouldn't want that?

But the idea that either Gaudreau or Monahan are holding out because they want short enough deals to bolt from the city early is baseless and betrays an inferiority complex for the city of Calgary and the Flames organization.

Scheifele is from Kitchener, Ontario. MacKinnon is from Halifax, Nova Scotia. But neither of them signed short term deals just so they could flee their team early or play for their hometown team (yes, I recognize Halifax doesn't have an NHL team).

Furthermore, what Stamkos has shown this year is that playing for your hometown, while tempting, is not such a massive motivation that players are willing to give up everything for it. Heck, even Taylor Hall showed tremendous loyalty to the tire fire that is Edmonton and was upset when he got traded.

Johnny and Mony will sign and when they do it will be for long-term deals in the range of their contemporaries.

[Robo]

If gaudreau was so concerned about playing for Philly he could have easily used the college loop hole and became a free agent. I'm not worried about what he said at all

[Reggie Dunlop]

What would be a reasonable return from Philadelphia for Gaudreau?

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

What would be a reasonable return from Philadelphia for Gaudreau?

No!

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

I find it interesting the level of worry and fear some people have over Monahan and Gaudreau not signing long term deals. Yes, Gaudreau said he'd love to play in front of his hometown some day. Of course he would. Who wouldn't want that?

But the idea that either Gaudreau or Monahan are holding out because they want short enough deals to bolt from the city early is baseless and betrays an inferiority complex for the city of Calgary and the Flames organization.

Scheifele is from Kitchener, Ontario. MacKinnon is from Halifax, Nova Scotia. But neither of them signed short term deals just so they could flee their team early or play for their hometown team (yes, I recognize Halifax doesn't have an NHL team).

Furthermore, what Stamkos has shown this year is that playing for your hometown, while tempting, is not such a massive motivation that players are willing to give up everything for it. Heck, even Taylor Hall showed tremendous loyalty to the tire fire that is Edmonton and was upset when he got traded.

Johnny and Mony will sign and when they do it will be for long-term deals in the range of their contemporaries.

I don't understand.
There is absolutely zero "worry or fear' they won't sign long term deals. None. At all. Zero.
You don't think 6 years is long term?
If 6 was what the Flames wanted, it would be done already.
8 is a bit different deal.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

What would be a reasonable return from Philadelphia for Gaudreau?

The Liberty Bell and Rocky statue for starters.

[GoJetsGo]

I think the hold up is Treliving being very careful and fighting for every inch he can as he knows with the amount of young talent we have it's going to be a balancing act managing our cap moving forward.

A lot of paranoia and baseless speculation starting to happen. Only natural that will increase until it's done.