[News] Flames only qualify 4 players. 9 go to UFA on July 1st (incl Jooris, Colborne, Ortio)

[btimbit]

Ortio and Jooris makes complete sense. They're about as replaceable as it can get, if they don't want to sign cheap deals and want to test free agency instead, go for it. But Colborne I'm still not sold on. Getting a high arbitration award would be crappy but losing him for nothing to free agency would be crappy too. Ever since they stopped putting him at Centre the guy just got better and better.

I trust Treliving's judgement, and am thrilled that we at least won't be overpaying a 40 point third liner, but still, I liked having a 40 point third liner

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

The point is I think Colborne isn't as good as his hot streak, that he's closer to his body of work from the previous 2.75 seasons. I also think Chaisson is better than he showed last year.

Exactly what stats would you have me use? Bearing in mind it was you who brought stats into this "discussion".

Why can't we have both guys? Not like they both wouldn't crack our roster right now. We just have to make sure Colborne doesn't get too expensive, which is why Treliving didn't qualify him.

[PepsiFree]

One side: "Colborne is a good third liner. Worth a modest contract."

The other side: "WHY is Colborne so OVERRATED? This is INSANITY!"

Apparently half of us have no idea what a third liner looks like. I doubt we'll agree which half.

[cannon7]

Can't say I see why Colborne, Ortio, etc. will continue to negotiate now that they're pending UFAs. Colborne can likely get a decent contract on the UFA market. Not sure I see what Treliving is doing here.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

One side: "Colborne is a good third liner. Worth a modest contract."

The other side: "WHY is Colborne so OVERRATED? This is INSANITY!"

Apparently half of us have no idea what a third liner looks like. I doubt we'll agree which half.

eh, more like

One side: Colborne is a third liner who probably wants to be paid like a second liner, and we should tread carefully as he's likely to regress to a third liner so that we pay him like a third liner.

The other side: "WHY WOULD YOU RISK LOSING COLBORNE 40 POINTS MEANS HE'S UBER-TALL"

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Why can't we have both guys? Not like they both wouldn't crack our roster right now. We just have to make sure Colborne doesn't get too expensive, which is why Treliving didn't qualify him.

In theory we could. However, the roster is already looking pretty full as far as bottom 6 guys are concerned. Maybe more moves are coming to relieve the congestion?

[ricardodw]

Would there be any team in the league that Colborne doesn't fit in at 2.5M?

The salary cap space that the Flames had after Bouwmeester, Iginla, Cammalleri left is a distant memory...


Cripes Raymond got signed as a UFA for over 3... because he snipped 19 goals and 45 pts playing on the fringes in Toronto..... because we had the space???

Hope this isn't a sign that Tkachuck is top-6 by default.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

So by your own math Colborne is at least a 33 point player. Do you think a 33 point player has no value? It's not 1985, 33 points in a year is a high end 3rd liner who can play 2nd line when needed.

I didn't say he had no value. He can play on my team any day as bottom 6er making less than 2m.

The problem is we already have too many bottom 6ers making too much money and he is the one who is UFA. I would much rather Stajan or Bouma go before Colborne.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

The point is I think Colborne isn't as good as his hot streak, that he's closer to his body of work from the previous 2.75 seasons. I also think Chaisson is better than he showed last year.

Exactly what stats would you have me use? Bearing in mind it was you who brought stats into this "discussion".

Your own numbers show Chiasson's career best season is Colborne's average. He is simply not a replacement for Colborne. Chiasson was acquired because of his size and physical play, he is meant to compliment the guys currently on the roster. I could actually see both Colborne and Chiasson flanking Bennett on the 3rd line.

[Vinny01]

Colborne is definitely not a player you overpay to keep. Ideally 3 years $7.5M and I am happy. If he wants more term or more dollars I think he should hit the market.

I would like to see 2 of Tkachuk, Shinkaruk, Jankowski, and Poirier to make the team out of camp.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Would there be any team in the league that Colborne doesn't fit in at 2.5M?

The salary cap space that the Flames had after Bouwmeester, Iginla, Cammalleri left is a distant memory...


Cripes Raymond got signed as a UFA for over 3... because he snipped 19 goals and 45 pts playing on the fringes in Toronto..... because we had the space???

Hope this isn't a sign that Tkachuck is top-6 by default.

WTF are you rambling on about now?

Its getting realllly old dude.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Your own numbers show Chiasson's career best season is Colborne's average. He is simply not a replacement for Colborne. Chiasson was acquired because of his size and physical play, he is meant to compliment the guys currently on the roster. I could actually see both Colborne and Chiasson flanking Bennett on the 3rd line.

I could see it too, but they will have to move someone else out IMO. Who is that going to be? I should add that I think Tkachuk will make the team.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by transplant99

WTF are you rambling on about now?

Its getting realllly old dude.

I'm not sure what most of that was, but for once he actually makes sense in saying any team in teh league would be willing to take Colborne @ 2.5 per

[jschick88]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Is there a list somewhere of all the non qualified guys league wide? My google skills turned up nothing

Here you go.

http://www.nhlfreeagents.com/#!2016-ufa-no-qo/c1unb

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

eh, more like

One side: Colborne is a third liner who probably wants to be paid like a second liner, and we should tread carefully as he's likely to regress to a third liner so that we pay him like a third liner.

The other side: "WHY WOULD YOU RISK LOSING COLBORNE 40 POINTS MEANS HE'S UBER-TALL"

eh, no

One thing is for sure: I haven't seen any significant number of people looking to pay him like a second liner, tall or not.

Certainly not enough to declare "Colborne is so overrated on this board"

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I could see it too, but they will have to move someone else out IMO. Who is that going to be? I should add that I think Tkachuk will make the team.

We had 3 holes in the top 9 by my count. I also think it is extremely unlikely Tkachuk makes the team because he will need to beat out Shinkaruk & Poirier for a spot.

[transplant99]

I think more than anything, todays moves signal that Treliving is indeed going to make a bigger splash in the next little bit.

Whether that be a trade (still think Hartnell makes all the sense in the world) or a UFA signing ( dont think Lucic is realistic but a guy like Purcell maybe?), there is more to come.

Colborne has to decide if he wants to chase the $$ or be happy in Calgary which he seems very much to be. I wont be surprised if he signs by Friday.

[robaur]

Glencross and Rene Bourque were also 20 goal scorers. How did they end up? Remember them CP? Lol Colborne just gets a lot of extra love because he's from this area just like the chuckwagon racer.

can't go down the same road and pay 3rd liners over $3M a year.

[Erick Estrada]

Can't see why Ortio would re-sign with the Flames. He can't feel like he has much future with the organization.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I didn't say he had no value. He can play on my team any day as bottom 6er making less than 2m.

The problem is we already have too many bottom 6ers making too much money and he is the one who is UFA. I would much rather Stajan or Bouma go before Colborne.

On the highest scoring team in the league 2nd liners on Dallas The #5 and #6 top scoring forwards are Hemsky 39 pts 4M and Eakin 3.85M 35 points.

Colborne wants to get second line money and the arbitrator would likely agree.

If Colborne played 3 rd line and got 35-44 pt he would be the best 3rd liner in the league.