For Puljujarvi I'd consider sending Hamilton. But for a chance at Tkachuk? No thanks. I think he's the best candidate in the Top 10 (along with Brown) to disappoint long-term.
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I'd be stunned if Hamilton is moved. You don't trade a guy one year after committing larceny to get him.
I think this is just the pundits reacting based on some bad message-board speculation. It's filler and talk, but I believe there is no substance to it at all. Trying hard to put 2 and 2 together.
I see Giordano moving before Hamilton.
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Dougie made us the cinderella last year. Let's not undo all that this year. AKA only if Edmonton gets bit in the ass by this and our team is improved when all is said and done.
I don't mind Hamilton for 4. Value wise and if it allows other moves it ain't bad
It's just the 'to Edmonton' part that would irk me. Otherwise I like the general idea, Bishop makes the team much better than Hamilton does, and adding Tkachuk and Juolevi is great, even if you consider it some sort of consolation prize. But Edmonton? Ugh
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You don't trade your young star potential dman to open cap space. You pa a team to take wideman before you do that. If Hamilton is moving out you'd better be bringing back something like Barrie + Pickard/Varlamov.
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McKenzie just talked about a scenario where CGY moves Hamilton for 4OV, opening up cap space for Ben Bishop & drafting Tkachuk AND Juolevi.
I simply don't understand the rationale behind this. All it does is push the club's window out further and it's a roll of the dice if Juolevi ever becomes close to the defenseman that Hamilton already is today. Throw in the fact that Hamilton was probably the Flames best defenseman on the back stretch of the season and I really don't see the upside of this move for the Flames. $8 million of Hiller and Ramo are off the books and the Wideman deal is coming off the books in a season when any extension for Bishop would start. IMO this is simply media conjecture.
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I also think, optically, that it would be really hard for Chiarelli to sell to the Oilers fanbase that Hamilton went to bitter rival Calgary 1 year earlier for 15th overall (+2 2nds), but one year later he's worth a top 5 pick?
No ####. How many times do you find a big defenseman who can score double digit goals and 40+ points at the ripe old age of 22? Hamilton is gold. You keep that. If Treliving makes that deal I would question his mental faculties and whether he should be running a NHL team. That would be the ultimate example of getting wrapped up in the hype of the draft. I just can't see a cool customer like Treliving doing something that stupid.
Not only that, but how the hell do we get the THREE first round picks required to draft Tkachuk and Juolevi, AND trade for Bishop? We moving Gaudreau, Monahan or Bennett too? Must have been an all-nighter for McKenzie. Doesn't make sense at all.
Maybe TBay doesnt want a 1st? Perhaps they have reached a deal and BT has talked contract with Bishop's agent and knows exactly how many dollars must go out to balance those that come in? Just speculation.
So let me get this straight. Treliving trades the 15th, 45 and 52nd picks last year, in a much better and deeper draft, to get Dougie Hamilton. Hamilton, at 22 years of age, then goes on to have a career year, scoring 12 goals and 43 points with very limited PP time. So Treliving is then going to trade Hamilton to Edmonton, our most hated rival, so the 4th pick over all? The Flames are going to address Edmonton's greatest weakness by sending them a top pair defender on a great contract, for a ####ing draft pick? For Matthew "I promise my skating won't hold me back" Tkachuk? Treliving has to be trolling the media.
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I also think, optically, that it would be really hard for Chiarelli to sell to the Oilers fanbase that Hamilton went to bitter rival Calgary 1 year earlier for 15th overall (+2 2nds), but one year later he's worth a top 5 pick?
Nope. The fans in Edmonton would be excited. They haven't had a Hamilton level dman for years.
If we trade Hamilton to Edmonton, I'm going to be pretty unimpressed with treliving.
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Big no to trading Hamilton. I rather just pick Nylander/Juolevi at 6. I think this is BT just trying to make the Oilers believe that Hamilton is available while someone else gets Subban so Oilers miss out on another dman.
Hamilton for the 4th. Then flip 4th and 54th to Columbus for the 3rd. Walk away from the draft with Puljujarvi and Juolevi.
Effectively Treliving would've turned 15th overall last year and 3 seconds into the 3rd overall pick. That's some pretty good asset management IMO.
No, that's not very good asset management. Juolevi is 3-4 years away from the NHL. That means you're pushing the Flames window out that much further. The Flames blueline gets worse next year and we have to wait for one of Kyllington, Andersson, Hickey, or Kulak to take a huge jump to play in the top three. That is going to burn off years of Gaudreau and Monahan, and burn off years of Giordano and Brodie. The draft hype is getting to people again.
I'm probably in the minority but I feel a little worried Juolevi is going to be a bit of a disappointment for the team that drafts him. Soft player in his own end and had the benefit of playing on an absolutely stacked team. It wouldn't out of the realm of possibility that Andersson could eventually turn out to be a better defenseman.
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Hamilton for the 4th. Then flip 4th and 54th to Columbus for the 3rd. Walk away from the draft with Puljujarvi and Juolevi.
Effectively Treliving would've turned 15th overall last year and 3 seconds into the 3rd overall pick. That's some pretty good asset management IMO.
This I could maybe get behind.. It does set our defense back a bit but you acquire what could be your top RW for years and Juolevi could partly fill Dougie's shoes in a couple years.
But I think that move alone could push the window to contend off one or two seasons because of what it does to the current blue line.
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