Gorilla Shot Dead at Cincinnati Zoo After Child Climbs in Enclosure

[RyZ]

The scumbag racists climbed out of their holes as soon as the story broke.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Thor

wtf, never said any such thing, just that an ugly NY Daily news article DID make it about race well afterwards by going after the father who wasn't there and digged in to his criminal background. I was only responding to people asking about the race card which has now come up after that stupid article.

This is a minority of people and like I've said already numerous times, the issue is firstly about all the people who are attacking the mother, quite literally with death threats and calls for her to be charged with negligence well before race ever came in to the equation.

Now that their race is known, the scumbag racists come out of the woodwork and its shameful, not to mention even a tabloid crap paper like the NY Daily news jumped on the bandwagon.

You posted a "great FB" post where all it was was race baiting.

So why in the world is the criminal history of this young boy’s father in Cincinnati being spread all over the world other than the possibility that racists saw an opportunity to do what racists do? Even if the young boy’s father was there, is the suggestion that he had criminal intent by allowing his son, who he is shown doting on all over social media, fall through the enclosure?

People often ask why guys like me “make everything racial” as if we made the system this way. We didn’t. Race and racism are obviously deeply entrenched in this ugly world and stories like this are required to fight back against it.

This young family could’ve lost their son. They experienced the same type of accident that white families have experienced for decades, but instead of being shown mercy or compassion, they are now enduring unthinkable attacks on their character.

How can you not read that garbage and not see that you're perpetuating the race issue?

"Here's a bunch of examples of stories where people died and no one reported on their criminal history (despite no evidence anyone had a criminal history).

Now here's a story where no person died and the father has a criminal history. It's because society is racist!"

Bull####. As we've established, people had issues with the parents before race was brought up. People were villianizing the parents before race became an issue. The father having a criminal history, and it being reported, has nothing to do with race. (Well outside of that tiny minority).

[CaptainCrunch]

At the end of the day, one Gorilla grunted to the other, it was the dead Gorilla's fault, if he'd been carrying a firearm he could have protected himself.

then he flung some poop against the wall in frustration and slowly peeled a banana while looking at a nearby females butt.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Bull####. As we've established, people had issues with the parents before race was brought up. People were villianizing the parents before race became an issue. The father having a criminal history, and it being reported, has nothing to do with race. (Well outside of that tiny minority).

loool you seriously think that an article talking about his criminal record, when HE was not even there, would have been done if this was a white couple?

And for the love of billy, I have said numerous times people were freaking out on the parents long before they knew the race. I had no idea til people brought out the NY Daily news article, and racists are jumping on it.

His great post is about THOSE people, not ALL people. His other loads of examples also speak to how over the top the reaction by everyone has been on the mother this time around.

I don't know how often I keep having to say this to you, I don't think the issue became about race at all until that article, but clearly there were people from the start who knew the race, and the ugly racist stuff came out, as always does.

This issue has been from day 1 about the judgmental pricks calling the mother a horrible parent and going way beyond that with death threats and calls for her to be arrested.

The racist stuff is a sideshow, but it exists and I acknowledged it when people brought up the race question. Apparently this makes me think this is all about race?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

At the end of the day, one Gorilla grunted to the other, it was the dead Gorilla's fault, if he'd been carrying a firearm he could have protected himself.

then he flung some poop against the wall in frustration and slowly peeled a banana while looking at a nearby females butt.

Wow, I can't believe you're using this discussion to push your heteronormative views on the animal kingdom.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Thor

loool you seriously think that an article talking about his criminal record, when HE was not even there, would have been done if this was a white couple?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Thor

The racist stuff is a sideshow, but it exists and I acknowledged it when people brought up the race question. Apparently this makes me think this is all about race?

You can't go around proclaiming how the parents were being attacked (including death threats) that you acknowledge didn't have anything to do with race, and then believe the only reason his criminal history was reported was because of his race.

"Person people currently hate has criminal background." That's an article that gets hits. It has nothing to do with race, until you want to make it have to do with race.

You're taking the stance that the only reason his criminal background was published was because of his race.

I'm taking the stance that the only reason you have an issue with his criminal background being published is because of his race.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Thor

His great post is about THOSE people,

And what do YOU mean by "THOSE" PEOPLE!? This conversation is an OUTRAGE!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Wow, I can't believe you're using this discussion to push your heteronormative views on the animal kingdom.

[PepsiFree]

And? I own a copy of MW's "Your First Dictionary: For the socially conscious tyke"

So what?

[polak]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Wow, I can't believe you're using this discussion to push your heteronormative views on the animal kingdom.

This is like the social media generations Animal Farm.

The Gorilla was clearly non-binary gender.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yes.


You can't go around proclaiming how the parents were being attacked (including death threats) that you acknowledge didn't have anything to do with race, and then believe the only reason his criminal history was reported was because of his race.

"Person people currently hate has criminal background." That's an article that gets hits. It has nothing to do with race, until you want to make it have to do with race.

The article digging up his criminal history, a black man who was not even there, is clearly racial. Sorry but if you don't see that I have no idea what USA you have been living next to these last decades.

I never proclaimed they were being attacked because of race, I said the article bringing up his criminal history was and acknowledged that there people, racists who are jumping on it because the mother is black. Just read the comments online.

Never said NONE of the backlash towards the mother were because of race, I said the vast majority didn't even know that detail and the outrage and hate for her was ridiculous. Now that people know the race, and added ugly side is coming out.

If you can't see that then I don't know what to say.

[CaptainCrunch]

Damn Laws of Thermodynamics

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Thor

The article digging up his criminal history, a black man who was not even there, is clearly racial.

I call bull####. If the family was a bunch of redneck hillbillies it would have been reported if the father was charged for robbery while high on meth. People love to be outraged. People love judging others. When the person they are outraged at and judging has dirty laundry, certain news articles are going to report on it regardless of race. I'm not saying anything about the journalistic integrity of the articles that did report on his criminal background, nor am I suggesting that racists aren't using it for their own agenda, but what I am saying is that a white person certainly would have faced the same scrutiny.

As far as I'm aware, I don't know if has been confirmed if he was there or not. Not that it matters to me.

[Thor]

His father was not there. We will clearly not agree, move on.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Thor

Never said NONE of the backlash towards the mother were because of race, I said the vast majority didn't even know that detail and the outrage and hate for her was ridiculous. Now that people know the race, and added ugly side is coming out.

This seems to me to be more about the internet's tendency to promote the nastiest behaviour possible. It's like racism in this instance is an offense of opportunity. "We're going to be horrible to you because we don't like you. What's that you say? You're black? That gives us a whole new way to be especially horrible to you!"

Had it come out that they were Japanese or Sikh or {insert visible minority here} I suspect the exact same people would likely be posting similarly horrible things, mutatis mutandis.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This seems to me to be more about the internet's tendency to promote the nastiest behaviour possible. It's like racism in this instance is an offense of opportunity. "We're going to be horrible to you because we don't like you. What's that you say? You're black? That gives us a whole new way to be especially horrible to you!"

Had it come out that they were Japanese or Sikh or {insert visible minority here} I suspect the exact same people would likely be posting similarly horrible things, mutatis mutandis.

No doubt about the bold. But I think I am with Thor on this specific part of the story. The FB piece that he linked basically said that these sort of events happen fairly regularly, and never did they dig into the race or criminal background of the parents. Why now? Either way, I think we can agree that this was a tragic event and that the NY Post story is garbage.

[dissentowner]

It is ridiculous and sad that the race card is still dragged into everything in 2016.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

No doubt about the bold. But I think I am with Thor on this specific part of the story. The FB piece that he linked basically said that these sort of events happen fairly regularly, and never did they dig into the race or criminal background of the parents. Why now?

Those other stories had human deaths though. They aren't similar, I'm at extreme awe that there's people who can't understand there's a difference between a child dying and a child coming away with a bruise. Like seriously? How come people feel bad for the father who ran over his kid, has to live with the most extreme guilt anyone could ever have for the rest of his life, while they don't feel bad for a mother who's child is alive? Hmm, yeah tough question.

There's also 0 indication that any of those people had criminal backgrounds. So I mean, the simple answer as to why their criminal backgrounds weren't reported might be because they didn't have any.

"Mourning father who lost 3 year old child to pack of hyena once committed insurance fraud" would come up as extremely tasteless even for the most tabloid of newspapers would stay clear. There's just such a difference when we're talking about the death of a human, especially a child, that trumps nearly everything else.

"Father of child who got gorilla killed has criminal background" is just so much different that it's not comparable to the other situations presented. Does it actually matter? No. But when a sizable chunk of people are already hating on the parents, petitioning to have them charged for child negligence and animal cruelty, reporting the 'villains' previous criminal history isn't that outrageous.

Thor might want to pretend he doesn't believe it, but if this was a redneck family in the same situation, I guarantee you that the father's criminal background would be on social media just the same. A portion of the population that would be reposting it would have different (but similar) agendas.

The only reason I care is because there is actually racism at an extreme level still going on. But picking these type of fights doesn't help anyone, it hurts. Now when actual racism does happen, you already have people who will cry afoul of the race-card being played because it does get played in stupid situations like this.

[Thor]

Again, the father was not there. So why would you investigate his criminal background?

[Thor]

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