Players Tribune: "A guy like me" - John Scott

[Looch City]

Well one is for sure...

This is the most exciting drama-filled All Star season. NHL is getting free publicity whether good or bad haha

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Yes, legit hockey fans wanted to see him there... but it was still trolling by anyone voted for him. Even if it was a mix of true fans and non-fans, they were still all trolling. You can be a legit hockey fan and troll internet polls at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive.

If it wasn't trolling, please tell me the justification for voting him in. If you say he deserved it, you either don't understand the point of the ASG or you are unable to tell the difference between star players and fringe NHLers.

Just because we disagree, doesn't mean you're right. It's two different paradigms.

I don't believe you have to be a point producer to be an all star. Subban's charitable efforts alone are worthiness of the benign term "all star". A guy who's constantly put on the ice in the last minute of the 3rd to protect the lead could be an all star in my books. Hartley helping Ferland fight his addictions is cause of such a term, even if Ferland stops playing hockey today. To me, some of these things are far better contributions to me as a fan than Kessel putting up goals.

Scott was also on a winning roster full of underdogs on that Yotes roster. I can't personal testify to whatever rallying he did or did not do, but I know a guy like McGrattan had huge influence over Monahan last year - which happened to be Monahan's better year and a year we went to the playoffs.

But I don't expect you to consider alternative theories. Not in your current state anyways.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Not cliches. Have you ever played a team sport? Those who have know talent will only take you so far in a team setting. How many talented Flames prospects bust?

I'm sorry, but you don't hold any weight. This is a billion dollar industry and its personnel are some of the best thinkers at the highest level of competition.

What does all this have to do with John Scott being voted into the ASG as a joke by trolls? You're not seriously suggesting he deserves to be there on the basis of talent are you? Do you know what an all star game even is? The goal isn't to assemble the perfect team, it's to assemble the most TALENT. You know, that thing that separates him from 99% of his peers.

[To Be Quite Honest]

It's an oiler... The west will lose. Edit - Wrong thread it was to be in the All-Star thread.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Just because we disagree, doesn't mean you're right. It's two different paradigms.

I don't believe you have to be a point producer to be an all star. Subban's charitable efforts alone are worthiness of the benign term "all star". A guy who's constantly put on the ice in the last minute of the 3rd to protect the lead could be an all star in my books. Hartley helping Ferland fight his addictions is cause of such a term, even if Ferland stops playing hockey today. To me, some of these things are far better contributions to me as a fan than Kessel putting up goals.

Scott was also on a winning roster full of underdogs on that Yotes roster. I can't personal testify to whatever rallying he did or did not do, but I know a guy like McGrattan had huge influence over Monahan last year - which happened to be Monahan's better year and a year we went to the playoffs.

But I don't expect you to consider alternative theories. Not in your current state anyways.

Well, I guess you're going to be a sad panda once the NHL removes fan voting in its current state. You know, the guys running the billion dollar business you speak of. It looks like they disagree with you, even if they handled it as bad as humanly possible.

I hope you enjoy Scott in the ASG because I guarantee this will be the last time a player like him ever plays in one.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

What does all this have to do with John Scott being voted into the ASG as a joke by trolls? You're not seriously suggesting he deserves to be there on the basis of talent are you? Do you know what an all star game even is? The goal isn't to assemble the perfect team, it's to assemble the most TALENT. You know, that thing that separates him from 99% of his peers.

Nothing. It was in response to another conversation about Scott playing 200 NHL games and having done so by the decisions of the highest level of hockey coaching, which countered another's point that his sole purpose was to intimidate.

You replied to another conversation?

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Well, I guess you're going to be a sad panda once the NHL removes fan voting in its current state. You know, the guys running the billion dollar business you speak of. It looks like they disagree with you, even if they handled it as bad as humanly possible.

I hope you enjoy Scott in the ASG because I guarantee this will be the last time a player like him ever plays in one.

We'll see. From a business stand point, it is yet to be determined if this was the most profitable ASG ever?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Not cliches. Have you ever played a team sport? Those who have know talent will only take you so far in a team setting. How many talented Flames prospects bust?

I'm sorry, but you don't hold any weight. This is a billion dollar industry and its personnel are some of the best thinkers at the highest level of competition.

Awesome. No hockey argument is complete until someone busts out with a "you didn't play so you don't know" blast. Well done.

And yes thanks for reminding me that I hold no weight. For a second I thougt somehow what I posted on some random hockey forum actually mattered. Whew.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Nothing. It was in response to another conversation about Scott playing 200 NHL games and having done so by the decisions of the highest level of hockey coaching, which countered your point that his sole purpose was to intimidate.

You replied to another conversation?

Who cares how many games he's played, it's irrelevant to the topic. You're throwing up strawmen that have nothing to do with what's being debated.

The fact that Scott has played games in the NHL has nothing to do with whether or not he deserves to go to the ASG. There is no legitimate reason for him to be there outside of the fact he was voted in largely by those wishing to make a mockery of the ASG.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Awesome. No hockey argument is complete until someone busts out with a "you didn't play so you don't know" blast. Well done.

And yes thanks for reminding me that I hold no weight. For a second I thougt somehow what I posted on some random hockey forum actually mattered. Whew.

Well I'm sorry. It's intuitive to anyone who's played a team sport that a lazy player drags the team down when they waste minutes, despite how talented they are. I was only offering a reminder of practical application. There's arguing for the sake of arguing, but I never considered ignorance in this matter.

And it should matter to you. What I say matters to me.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Who cares how many games he's played, it's irrelevant to the topic. You're throwing up strawmen that have nothing to do with what's being debated.

The fact that Scott has played games in the NHL has nothing to do with whether or not he deserves to go to the ASG. There is no legitimate reason for him to be there outside of the fact he was voted in largely by those wishing to make a mockery of the ASG.

Again, you're involved in another conversation. I've already made my proposals to another poster regarding this subject. If you're going to include yourself, at least have the courtesy to go back and read my comments with that other poster and first consider alternative paradigms.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Again, youre involves in another conversation. I've already made my proposals to another poster regarding this subject. If you're going to include yourself, at least have the courtesy to go back and read my comments with that other poster and first consider alternative paradigms.

It's a public message board, I'll respond to whatever posts I want to. I read the previous conversation and I disagree with what you're saying. Welcome to the internet.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

What does all this have to do with John Scott being voted into the ASG as a joke by trolls? You're not seriously suggesting he deserves to be there on the basis of talent are you? Do you know what an all star game even is? The goal isn't to assemble the perfect team, it's to assemble the most TALENT. You know, that thing that separates him from 99% of his peers.

I honestly could care less how he was voted in. My problem is strictly with the fact that he is a dirty player, and the NHL needs to take a hard look at how they treat these types of players.

[t0rrent98]

Didn't get a chance to watch the hardest shot but Scott's got a pretty decent slap shot.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Or you're just butt hurt and can't fathom the idea that some legit hockey fans want to see him there.

come on now...that might be the story now but nobody wanted to see him. People wanted to vote in the worst player in the NHL, its nothing to get bent outta shape about but its the truth. Nobody was saying lets give an enforcer a chance because those guys play so hard...it was, at least initially a joke to make a mockery of the game.

Not Scott's fault and its a one off...even if they didn't fix it for next season a goon wouldn't be a "feel good story"

The fact that ASG could very likely be his last NHL game says it all.

All this being said I hope he enjoys himself

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by dino7c

come on now...that might be the story now but nobody wanted to see him. People wanted to vote in the worst player in the NHL, its nothing to get bent outta shape about but its the truth. Nobody was saying lets give an enforcer a chance because those guys play so hard...it was, at least initially a joke to make a mockery of the game.

Not Scott's fault and its a one off...even if they didn't fix it for next season a goon wouldn't be a "feel good story"

The fact that ASG could very likely be his last NHL game says it all.

All this being said I hope he enjoys himself

Probably true. I made a list of reasons earlier as why I suspect people voted for Scott.

Although, I don't know if the paying hockey fans of small-hockey-market Nashville were trolling the league by paying for tickets and then cheering for Scott. That looked as sincere as any cheer I've ever seen. I don't know if hockey fans were trolling the league by paying for every single Scott ASG jersey available. I mean, those are pretty expensive.

Either these trolls are really committed, or some people really wanted to see Scott there. Look at the media attention he's getting, I think some people are genuinely embracing it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Probably true. I made a list of reasons earlier as why I suspect people voted for Scott.

Although, I don't know if the paying hockey fans of small-hockey-market Nashville were trolling the league by paying for tickets and then cheering for Scott. That looked as sincere as any cheer I've ever seen. I don't know if hockey fans were trolling the league by paying for every single Scott ASG jersey available. I mean, those are pretty expensive.

Either these trolls are really committed, or some people really wanted to see Scott there. Look at the media attention he's getting, I think some people are genuinely embracing it.

yeah NOW they want him there because its a good story because of what happened to him with all the controversy and what not

The trolling happened months ago, what is happening now is genuine sure...people love an underdog

[killer_carlson]

Nice gesture by the fans giving Scott a standing ovation.

Even stronger gesture with the players on the ice standing up at the same time to participate as well.

[t0rrent98]

#NHLAllStar John Scott on laughing at #Blackhawks Patrick Kane in intro: “I was dying. He said, ‘Watch this, I’m going to get booed and you'll get biggest cheers.’”

[dino7c]

leading scorer gets booed...AHLer gets standing O lol

could they not have given him a habs jersey?