*SPOILER DISCUSSION* Star Wars The Force Awakens *POST HERE AFTER SEEING THE MOVIE*

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

We're talking about a species that rips peoples arms off when they lose at chess. Chewbacca should have gone insane arm ripping off angry. I was a bit let down. It didn't need more time, just needed to convey his anger a bit more.

He shot some Storm Troopers very angrily.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by zukes

What about Vader in the conference room when Lando brings Han, Leia, Chewie and the droids to Vader? Han shoots his blaster several times and Vader uses his hand to block the blaster fire. Pretty sure he is using the force there.

True, but still not stopping blaster shots mid air and holding them there for an extended period of time. Even comparing those two situations I feel that Kylo Ren just took it to a next level of bad assery.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

One thing I really enjoyed was the acting was actually really good. No Hayden Christiansen-esque performances.

Or better yet no Lucas-esque writing. Blame Hayden all you want (and yes he stinks), but barely anyone came out of that movie looking good. The writing was the main problem, the terrible acting was secondary.

[Max Cow Disease]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Or better yet no Lucas-esque writing. Blame Hayden all you want (and yes he stinks), but barely anyone came out of that movie looking good. The writing was the main problem, the terrible acting was secondary.

Absolutely. I actually thought that some of the actors managed decently despite the poor writing (Ewan in general, Hayden in Episode 3, etc).

[Max Cow Disease]

Lucas certainly lost any inkling he had for subtlety over the years. I only noticed in my watch-through of the series the past week that a heinous "Nooo....NOOOOOO!!!!" was added in to ROTJ when Vader finally tosses Palpatine over the railing. Like, really? Even as a six year old it was so evident what was happening in that scene, and the lack of dialogue from Vader as he finally came to his senses spoke powerful volumes enough.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Wormius

He shot some Storm Troopers very angrily.

Plus there is a scene of Chewie crying after Hans death.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Is that Max Von Sydow in Rey's dream when she flashes back to being ditched on Jakkuu as a little kid. I think it is. Thus giving a bit of Credence to my theory that Von Sydow was Rey's Guardian dispatched by Skywalker.

It's 100% von Sydow's voice, although you don't see him, just a hand. My wife has a theory that the hand that is grabbing child Rey is the fat alien that sells her portions for scrap parts. Not sure I buy that.

I'm so damn confused about Rey, but that's a good thing. Lukes daughter? Jedi aren't supposed to have kids. Hans dauhhter? Would be odd they never mention it, especially when they openly talk about Ren. I specifically looked for clues during my 2nd viewing to see if she was the daughter of Han and Leia, but didn't see any. That begs the obvious question of where her force comes from. Is Abrams paying homage to Phantom Menace and she is the daughter of midichlorians?

Intriguing to say the least, and excited for the next installment.

Also I know folks has gripes that the last scene was dragged out, but I disagree. During my 2nd viewing I noticed some really good veteran acting from Hamill. He's sending some sort of message with his expressions, but what it is, I cannot tell. Almost like it's relief but at the same time, distress.

2nd viewing and I like it even more.

[gottabekd]

Came across this picture. She has to be Luke's daughter.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'm so damn confused about Rey, but that's a good thing. Lukes daughter? Jedi aren't supposed to have kids. Hans dauhhter? Would be odd they never mention it, especially when they openly talk about Ren. I specifically looked for clues during my 2nd viewing to see if she was the daughter of Han and Leia, but didn't see any. That begs the obvious question of where her force comes from. Is Abrams paying homage to Phantom Menace and she is the daughter of midichlorians?

Why isn't that she is just a "youngling" that Luke found for his Academy an option? I assume at some point Luke was able to identify children who were force sensitive without the need for a midi-chlorian counter. That would explain why Kylo is familiar with her from his time at the Academy with Luke. She probably was traumatized by whatever Kylo did at the Academy and pushed all of the memories away.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Why isn't that she is just a "youngling" that Luke found for his Academy an option? I assume at some point Luke was able to identify children who were force sensitive without the need for a midi-chlorian counter. That would explain why Kylo is familiar with her from his time at the Academy with Luke. She probably was traumatized by whatever Kylo did at the Academy and pushed all of the memories away.

Certainly plausible. My counter would be that when she and Finn first meet Captain Solo and he mentions Luke Skywalker, she is amazed that he is more than just a myth and is indeed a real person. Surely if she was in the Jedi academy, she would have at least known he's real.

[AC]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Certainly plausible. My counter would be that when she and Finn first meet Captain Solo and he mentions Luke Skywalker, she is amazed that he is more than just a myth and is indeed a real person. Surely if she was in the Jedi academy, she would have at least known he's real.

If they come out and say she had her memory wiped or manipulated, they can make her whoever they want basically.

"Yadda yadda yadda, for your protection we hid your true identity from even yourself."

[Finger Cookin]

So Obi-Wan tells Luke the truth about his father -- from a certain point of view. And Luke decides to double down on Jedi dickery by manipulating or wiping memories? No wonder Kylo turned.

[CroFlames]

Can Jedi even wipe memories from humans? We definitely need Captain Crunch's expert analysis.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Can Jedi even wipe memories from humans? We definitely need Captain Crunch's expert analysis.

If you can use the force hoodwink people into doing whatever you tell them to do then it theoretically could be possible to erase memories.

[Wormius]

I was only speculating that she repressed whatever memories she had of her time at Luke's Academy, not that she had her mind wiped like out of MIB / Superman II / Harry Potter. That has been done too many times before. Luke having kids would be too extreme. I think Rey was just a star pupil that maybe Luke favoured over Ren. For those real, maybe Ren got frustrated.

In other thoughts, wonder why did Snoke have to be Andy Serkised in. Looks like something that make-up and costuming could have accomplished before being hologrammed in. Or was the purpose to just directly convert him to a holographic entity?

[DiracSpike]

Just got back, here come the first impressions

I was buying this movie at the beginning. Really like the intros to all the major new characters, especially when Kylo held that blaster shot and then let it go. Digged the bb8. I was on board until they ran into Leia and that's when it felt like the fan servicing started and when I started to get pissed off.

All of a sudden the first order has a super weapon. It's not like when the Death Star was the main object of the fourth movie, this thing just appears. Then we have to see a side by side with the original Death Star, just to show how this is bigger and better version. Have a pow wow for three minutes and then come up with a way to destroy it. Does every single Star Wars have to end with them blowing up a battle station? Honestly. At first I thought they would just disable the big gun but then the planet started to hilariously spontaneously combust.
It was very, very similar to ep 4, droid sent out to desert planet for safety, new Jedi apprentice, old mentor gets killed by current bad guy, and battle station blows up. If there's seriously a reveal about someone being someone else's father in the next one then I'd be convinced Disney is just trolling us.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Am I the only one that thought the map plot point seemed to come together far to simplistically?

So R2D2 had a full map of the universe but missing one piece? The piece that BB8 just so happened to have?

Wouldn't it have made more sense that the map was a riddle, or a test? You need to get the question/premise and then you'd have to solve it to figure out where Luke was?

Or even have the rebels have various pieces of maps of the known universe (throw in a line about the archives being destroyed so there isn't a complete map anymore).

Heck have the planet Luke is on removed from the maps (like in AOTC).

It seems like the map plot line was "we don't know where Luke it" oh here's a map with directions.



The Rey/Ren lightstaber battle did bother me too. However, the explanations here are appeasing me.

[DiracSpike]

I'll also say, if there's any reveal on people being people's parents I would think that would be really dumb. Yeah I was given pause as well when Han called out Ben, but I think that story line reads out fine. We never really get to see Leia use her force power but we get to see it through her son. Han Solo definitely doesn't seem like he would ever win any dad of the year awards, I can buy him having an estranged son. And literature is full of interesting interactions between uncles and nephews, that can be explored in the new movies between kylo and Luke. Their relationship could be more meaningful in the sense that luke never weds (never see him with any women in the old trilogy) so his nephew becomes like a son.

I also think Rey being Luke's daughter would be dumb. Not everyone has to be related to each other, it seems like the force picks who it wants to be strong in, I mean there was a whOle legion of Jedi in the old republic that surely weren't all inbreeding.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Just got back. And all I can really say that it wasn't perfect, but it was Star Wars. Couldn't say that after any of the prequels

I really want to know more about the galaxy at large though, how does the power dynamics work? Why is it just a small resistance fighting the First Order and not the full Republic military? Is the Order an actual government that rivals the Republic and no one wants to start another full scale war? If that's the case, then one would think after having their capital system destroyed that any attempt at an armistice is over, and we could see some massive space battles with capital ships in the next one (YES PLEASE)

[Drak]

Will there be extended Director's cuts for these films?