[PGT] Flames lose 4-3. Questionable Team Defense

[Toonage]

For some odd reason, you can turn over the entire team, yet the franchise just plays poorly in certain cities. Doesn't mean they will always lose, but they never play well. This was one of those places.

[Poe969]

That's kind of BS though, it seems there are more cities this team plays poorly in then they play good in. It's up to the coaching staff and team to play better.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Panthers are as bad as oilers when it comes to tanking and sucking. So, yes a win was expected.

Categorically false. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Categorically false. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

In the pat 15 drafts they have drafted in the top 10 10 times. 7 of those times it was a top 5 pick.

[Huntingwhale]

Lost in all of this is how players who are open in the slot miss the damn net with every shot. Wideman missed at least 2 prime scoring chances. Brodie a couple. Even JG (who gets a pass because he's really the only offensive catalyst on the team) had 4 odd man rushes, including 2 partial breakaways, and only hit the net once. The team is in big trouble when David ####ing Jones is leading the team in goals.

JG had a sweet wrap around in the 1st period and stupid Campbell got his stick blade in the way to save a certain goal. Just goes to show how much hockey can be a game of inches.

The goaltending is horrible though. Absolutely horrible. As a strong supporter of the Hiller/Ramo tandem last season, it's getting harder and harder to support either these days.

The worst part in all of this is how all the analytic ''experts'' who predicted regression were absolutely 100% correct. There is no way to defend against them anymore. It looks like they were right.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Categorically false. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

You, despite being a Panthers fan have no clue what you're talking about. See Vinny's factual statement below.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

In the pat 15 drafts they have drafted in the top 10 10 times. 7 of those times it was a top 5 pick.

Exactly, not all have to be first overalls but this mediocre franchise has had that too. Similar to Tampa they've had plenty of really good picks. Difference being Tampa did something while Florida has been mediocre minus the fluke run ages ago.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

In the pat 15 drafts they have drafted in the top 10 10 times. 7 of those times it was a top 5 pick.

That does not mean they were tanking. Tanking and drafting poorly are completley different things. That said their drafting has gotten better and the team is going in the right direction.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I'm not going to get into this because I have better things to do today, but equating them to the Oilers is entirely unfair. No team deserves that comparison.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I'm not going to get into this because I have better things to do today, but equating them to the Oilers is entirely unfair. No team deserves that comparison.

Oilers and Panthers are from the same pile of crap.

Tanking is probably the wrong word for any franchise. Even the Oilers. Call it bad drafting but it doesn't change the fact your team has sucked for a loooong time despite being handed top picks.

The Flames should've won last night. That's why most were expecting a win.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Oilers and Panthers are from the same pile of crap.

Tanking is probably the wrong word for any franchise. Even the Oilers. Call it bad drafting but it doesn't change the fact your team has sucked for a loooong time despite being handed top picks.

Except many of those top picks turned into decent NHLers and were moved on to other teams due to an internal cap from a penny-pinching owner.

Nobody remembers how the Flames were a farm team in the 90's for other teams?

People are forgetting how awful the Islanders were at the exact same time (probably worse), but now they're good so they get a pass?

Come on guys, give me a break.

So I guess since the Flames were bad once upon a time they'll never be good again too? B.S.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

The Flames should've won last night. That's why most were expecting a win.

What makes you believe they "should" have won? Their poorer record? The fact that they've given up the most goals in the league?

When you're at the bottom it's pretty hard to assume you will win any game. They played like they have the majority of the season so far, so realistically that should have been the expected result.

The Flames have plenty of talent, and should be trending upward, but they're playing terribly, and therefore are not good at the moment. The Panthers are a decent team that is trending upward as well. The history of their team that pretty much ended more than a year ago shouldn't really have any bearing on this season.

Are the Flames the same team they were when Iginla was here?

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Not to nitpick too much but the third goal is all on Hudler imo. Can someone explain to me what he thought he was doing standing still and waiving his stick as Ekblad goes by? He is expecting Brodie to do it all. Usually Brodie does the almost impossible and covers these gaffs, but that was an embarrissing effort by Hudler.

Yea I take back the Brodie comment on that one, quickly typed up my assessment before going to bed and simply wanted to make a point that the goals were not nearly as week as many are claiming them to be.
Watch the highlights and you will also notice a couple great 2 on 1 saves, an amazing breakaway save and a couple of solid PK saves.

Hudler has been equally frustrating to watch as he simply is not moving his feet the way he did last year.

Originally Posted by Wiggum_PI

The Brodie turnover on the game winning goal was pretty bad, but where is he supposed to go with the puck in that situation?

I think Giordano's positioning on the play was equally as bad as the pass.

Aside from the Flyers and Penguins game, the Flames have been brutal in their own end of the ice.

While nobody was giving him an easy out, everyone knows that if you don't have a play it is up the boards.

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Lost in all of this is how players who are open in the slot miss the damn net with every shot. Wideman missed at least 2 prime scoring chances. Brodie a couple. Even JG (who gets a pass because he's really the only offensive catalyst on the team) had 4 odd man rushes, including 2 partial breakaways, and only hit the net once. The team is in big trouble when David ####ing Jones is leading the team in goals.

JG had a sweet wrap around in the 1st period and stupid Campbell got his stick blade in the way to save a certain goal. Just goes to show how much hockey can be a game of inches.

The goaltending is horrible though. Absolutely horrible. As a strong supporter of the Hiller/Ramo tandem last season, it's getting harder and harder to support either these days.

The worst part in all of this is how all the analytic ''experts'' who predicted regression were absolutely 100% correct. There is no way to defend against them anymore. It looks like they were right.

The point blank shots are arguably the difference between a goal for and against all year. The other team seems to score 100% of their point blank chances while we score none. Mony waits way to long where as last year he just let it go and our D men forgot what hitting the net looks like.


After having a chance to sleep on it, I was still frustrated waking up but hell, its a new day and a new opportunity to hit the reset button. Go flames!!

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Except many of those top picks turned into decent NHLers and were moved on to other teams due to an internal cap from a penny-pinching owner.

Nobody remembers how the Flames were a farm team in the 90's for other teams?

People are forgetting how awful the Islanders were at the exact same time (probably worse), but now they're good so they get a pass?

Come on guys, give me a break.

So I guess since the Flames were bad once upon a time they'll never be good again too? B.S.

The Flames of the 90s had serious money issues. Don't compare Florida to that.

We're basically talking about last 15 years, 10 of which has had the salary cap. Teams like Nashville/Phoenix etc have done much better with equal or lesser amount to spend despite getting later picks.

Islanders, probably have been much worse situation with Wang yet they've started winning and had couple winning season before their latest turnaround.

Your Panthers MIGHT get good but right now they're not, they're still a doormat team where opposition fans expect 2 points from their team.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Oilers and Panthers are from the same pile of crap.

Tanking is probably the wrong word for any franchise. Even the Oilers. Call it bad drafting but it doesn't change the fact your team has sucked for a loooong time despite being handed top picks.

The Flames should've won last night. That's why most were expecting a win.

I think the fact that it is Florida and not Edmonton shrouds their tanking from us here in Western Canada but I agree they have had a lot of top picks handed to them and have done very little with their 'rebuild'.. so far.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

The Flames of the 90s had serious money issues. Don't compare Florida to that.

Uh, why not? Panthers have plenty of money issues around their team, especially when the owner did not want to put any money into the team for a decade.

Your Panthers MIGHT get good but right now they're not, they're still a doormat team where opposition fans expect 2 points from their team.

Jesus H. f'ing Christ. The Panthers had 91 points last season. Does that sound like a "doormat team" to you???

I question how qualified you are to talk about this anymore.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Uh, why not? Panthers have plenty of money issues around their team, especially when the owner did not want to put any money into the team for a decade.

Uhh, are you somewhat of a Flames fan too or you just like to say you are? Any Flames fan from the 90s would know how dire the situation was. They were on verge of moving, they couldn't keep their stars.

Florida has lost their "star" players due to them getting tired of losing. Weiss left for that reason, JBo left for that reason. You do realize there's a cap, and teams have to at least spend to the floor. Even right now there's less then 20 mill difference between the ceiling and the floor. It has been less then that most of the cap era.

Jesus H. f'ing Christ. The Panthers had 91 points last season. Does that sound like a "doormat team" to you???

I question how qualified you are to talk about this anymore.

Yet, they still finished 10th in the east. Ahead of who?
Buffalo (total re-build)
Toronto? (total re-build)
Carolina? (they're a mess right now but even they have more success then the Panthers)
New Jersey? (finally moved on from Lou and Marty era, basically a re-build)
Philly? at least they're fun to watch
Columbus? team decimated by injuries.

So in all, the Panthers really only beat out the Canes and Flyers of the teams that were suppose to be competitive last year. You're right, they're not a doormat.

[Travis Munroe]

[Poe969]

Ya, Cali get with it! Any team who beats the Flames is a bad franchise!

I thought this would be about the Flames and this past game and the team moving forward, not the history of the team that beat us. Who really cares about the history of the franchise, the only history of the panthers that I give a damn about now is what happened last night.

For the Flames to "save" this year, they better pull their socks up and go on a streak because they're going to have to do something drastic to be taken seriously this year.

[ResAlien]

Love it when another team's fan doesn't get why people here won't sing the praises of their team.

Yes for the most part we all hoped and expected to win, it's friggin Florida. I'm sure you're building something special but who cares? It's the Panthers. Now that the game is over let's go back to never thinking about them. We're on to Tampa Bay.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Watch the highlights and you will also notice a couple great 2 on 1 saves, an amazing breakaway save and a couple of solid PK saves.

I just don't understand why we have to pump Ramo's tires because he made some good saves, even though he lets in two goals per game a peewee goalie could stop. You know most goalies in the NHL routinely stop 30+ shots, save percentages >.920, get shutouts etc. NHL goalies are supposed to make good saves. They're not supposed to let in weak goals every game.

It's so frustrating - the team is so deflated. Let's just call it what it is instead of saying "well yes he let in two horrible goals, but it's ok because he also made 5 great saves!". It's just trying to rationalize the fact that he's a well below average NHL goalie - I'd even argue a well below average backup NHL goalie. Add to this that not only is he well below average, but he lets in said soft goals at key times in the game. It's not like they're up 5-1 and he's letting these in. They are the first goals of the game, the GWG, key times for momentum, etc. The D aren't playing well and while it's impossible to know for sure, IMO it's in large part due to the fact that they are so scared to make a mistake, because every single shot the opponent takes everyone is holding their breath. I know I am - every shot could easily go in at this point, and if you actually watch, other teams know this as well. They're firing from everywhere on Ramo, bad angles etc. That to me is the most telling thing.

But ultimately this isn't his fault, obviously he's trying. It's Treliving's fault, and Hartley's (assuming he told Tre he wanted Ramo back). Again let's just call it what it is.

Sorry for the rant. It's just unacceptable. At this point if Tre doesn't make a serious change in net, I'm thinking that he's looking for a very high draft pick this season.